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Mike2023
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« : Mar 25, 2017 at 15:17 »

Hey Guys,

So I'm looking to upgrade my T10,000 set to a T100,000 set to accommodate up to 20 people. (we generally have 12 or so)

I'm looking to get some feedback on my starting chip counts as well as total chip purchase.   Here is what I have come up with.

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Mike2023
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« #1 : Mar 25, 2017 at 15:18 »

The 25,000 chips seem useless if I have the plaques or vice versa. 
tore
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« #2 : Mar 25, 2017 at 17:53 »

The 25,000 chips seem useless if I have the plaques or vice versa. 

Seems reasonable. With one hundred 25K chips you can support 25 rebuys/addons, or less depending on the size of the addon. The plaques mean you can support even more, plus color-ups. Just a question of calculating the right amount.

I agree that you shouldn't combine 25K chips with 50K plaques. I would go for 100K plaques instead.

Some people don't like plaques. They're wrong, plaques are cool. ;) I have the Nevada Jacks 25K plaques for my T10000, they don't come into play in my freezeouts but do in my rebuy tourneys.

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« #3 : Mar 25, 2017 at 18:02 »

The 25,000 chips seem useless if I have the plaques or vice versa. 

Seems reasonable. With one hundred 25K chips you can support 25 rebuys/addons, or less depending on the size of the addon. The plaques mean you can support even more, plus color-ups. Just a question of calculating the right amount.

I agree that you shouldn't combine 25K chips with 50K plaques. I would go for 100K plaques instead.

Some people don't like plaques. They're wrong, plaques are cool. ;) I have the Nevada Jacks 25K plaques for my T10000, they don't come into play in my freezeouts but do in my rebuy tourneys.

Some good advice.   

How many plaques do you own and when about in your tourney do they come into play? 

In my current T10,000 12 player tourneys we see 1-2 rebuy or add-on per player on average. 

100,000 plaques was my first choice but didn't know how much use they would get being the starting amount.

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« #4 : Mar 25, 2017 at 19:32 »

We're usually between 15-25 players. Let's use 20 as an example, nice round number.

In a freezout there would be 200,000 in play. Since one plaque is 1/8th of this, I can really only throw in 1 when perhaps 3 or 4 players are left. It becomes like a token of being table captain, and players usually needle each other when it changes owner. :)

In a rebuy we usually get 3-5 rebuys and since the add-ons are for 15K most players add-on, meaning we usually have about 500,000 in play. In these tournaments I can hand out two or three right after the add-on break. At the final table I hand out a few more. About 6 in play, i. e. 150K in plaques and 350K in smaller denominations. I own 8 plaques, and I throw in the rest when 2 players are left.

In your T100,000, plaques worth 100K would be equivalent to 10K plaques in my tournaments. Therefore I suspect you might get one or two in play for freezeouts and perhaps 15 or so in rebuy tourneys. This depends however on the structure: My rebuy structure encourages addons by a) offering 1.5 stack and b) being early enough in the tournament so the 15K really makes a difference, meaning there will be a lot of chips in play.

Ps. I own three 100K plaques as well, got them cheap because they were the last 3. I don't think they'll ever be in play though  ;)

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« #5 : Mar 25, 2017 at 20:05 »

Cool, thanks.  You have given me some stuff to think about.
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« #6 : Mar 25, 2017 at 21:10 »

Which chips and plaques are you thinking about buying? :)

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« #7 : Mar 25, 2017 at 22:36 »

Oh man, I'm trying to narrow it down. 

First Choice - Venerati http://www.buypokerchips.com/Venerati-Poker-Chips-p/set-vnrti.htm

These are great for the money but the values I want are currently sold out, and I would have to make some custom Plaques.

Second Choice - Venerati https://oldwestpokersupplies.worldsecuresystems.com/shop/stock-ceramic-poker-chips/valentino-poker-room

I like the look of these, but I would want to customize them to change out the name.  Have a sample set coming so we will see how they look printed.

Third Choice - Spaydz https://oldwestpokersupplies.worldsecuresystems.com/shop/stock-ceramic-poker-chips/spaydz

My wife likes these, but I'm not sure.  We will see how the samples look.

I also designed my own version of the Tiki set that I'm on the fence about as well. 


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« #8 : Mar 25, 2017 at 22:43 »

And this, (not done yet as I know the text does not match the value)


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« : Mar 25, 2017 at 22:45 Mike2023 »
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« #9 : Mar 25, 2017 at 22:59 »

Wow! Make sure to post some pics of your set once you have it!

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« #10 : Apr 03, 2017 at 22:49 »

Ok, I made a few changes.

Any thoughts?


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« #11 : Apr 04, 2017 at 07:01 »

Hi,

I'll give some feedback, but please bear in mind that it's only based on my opinions. Hopefully you'll get more opinions from others here and perhaps more importantly from your players. Also remember that your opinion is the most important one since you're paying! ;)

I like that you've reduced the number of T500 chips. They are are only ever used for the small blind, and for antes if you choose to add them (which I recommend)

Regarding the introduction of the T10000 chip, my personal opinion is that having chips with roughly the same value makes the chips a bit redundant. Each denomination should take care of a certain range of bet sizes. Having 5k, 10k, and 25k are too many within roughly the same range.

In my set I have both T500 and T1000. The reason I break my own rule here is that these denominations are quite standard. I dont want to jump from 500 to 2000 or 2500, it wouldn't feel natural. Since the T500 aren't used that much (why bet 2 T500s when you can throw in a single T1000?) I have chosen to have quite few T500 chips (75) and a lot of T1000 chips (225). In my 10K tournaments every player receives between 2 or 3 T500 and 8 or 7 T1000. I would object if you had suggested the same amount of 5K and 10K, but since there are so few T10000 it might work well.

An alternative would be to have few T5000 and many T10000 (the same way I have few 500 and many 1000). That way you could remove the 25K and change from 100K plaques to your original 50K plaques, i.e.  few 500, many 1000, few 5000, many 10000, and 50k plaques. Perhaps even throw in a single jumbo plaque of 200k! If you where worried about not getting the plaques in play then this would solve it ;)

Those were some random thoughts on your latest suggestion. I still like clean 500, 1000, 5000, 25000, 100000, but that is my personal preference.
« : Apr 04, 2017 at 09:04 tore »

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« #12 : Apr 04, 2017 at 09:34 »

Honestly, with this structure, the T500 chips seem like a waste of money.  Why buy all those chips for just the one level?

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« #13 : Apr 04, 2017 at 10:06 »

Honestly, with this structure, the T500 chips seem like a waste of money.  Why buy all those chips for just the one level?

Two levels actually. Or three, if I can convince him to use antes. ;)

I see your point though. If he wants to save money he can change to a T200000 structure and remove the 500 chips. However, there are plenty of structures people have posted here where the levels are
50-100
100-200
150-300
200-400
300-600
etc...

This seems to be a generally accepted structure, but can't the same be said about them? Compared to this, he is actually saving money since he uses T500 chips (comparable to T50 chips in my example), whereas people using the example above usually use T25 chips, meaning he is only required to buy half as many of his lowest denomination chips.

Also, there is something to be said about having several different colors on the table, looks nicer ;) #mrvain

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« #14 : Apr 04, 2017 at 11:56 »

My tournament chipset has T500, T1000, T5000, T20000 and T50000.  I prefer a max of 4 colors on the table at a time, if possible.

Normally, I prefer 4x-5x jump from one chip to another, I had to progress from T20000 to T50000 because of the hotstamps available..  At the low end, a double is sometimes necessary.  Antes make it more palatable to buy that smaller denom because they get more use. 

Also, FWIW, my OCD prefers denominations in barrels of 20.  They fit evenly into a chiprack.  Nothing worse than having two colors touch in a chip rack...  My OCD also loathes a T50 chip.

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« #15 : Apr 04, 2017 at 12:05 »

Honestly, with this structure, the T500 chips seem like a waste of money.  Why buy all those chips for just the one level?

Two levels actually. Or three, if I can convince him to use antes. ;)

I see your point though. If he wants to save money he can change to a T200000 structure and remove the 500 chips. However, there are plenty of structures people have posted here where the levels are
50-100
100-200
150-300
200-400
300-600
etc...

This seems to be a generally accepted structure, but can't the same be said about them? Compared to this, he is actually saving money since he uses T500 chips (comparable to T50 chips in my example), whereas people using the example above usually use T25 chips, meaning he is only required to buy half as many of his lowest denomination chips.

Also, there is something to be said about having several different colors on the table, looks nicer ;) #mrvain


My tournaments start with T5/10 blinds, so I can't comment on the "popular" structures.

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« #16 : Apr 04, 2017 at 13:06 »

Great comments from everyone.  Tore, the 500 chips got a bit bigger but not by all that much, and I think they will be used for a bit longer in this setup.  While I don't mind antes, I think most of my players would think of it as more of a hassle.

I agree about the 10,000 and have taken them out. 

Someone on another board made some suggestions and I came up with this based on them.  Bumped up the starting stack to T150,000 to keep about 40 chips in front of the player to start the game. 

Thoughts?


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« #17 : Apr 04, 2017 at 14:28 »

I think 17 5k's is too many to start.

My T100,000 starting stack is

T500 x 10
T1000 x 10
T5000 x 9
T20,000 x 2

I've never had a problem with too few chips on the table.  Occasionally, when DD donks off three pots in a row, he'll need to change-up a chip, but not enough to justify all those chips on the table.  I prefer ~ 30 chips in a starting stack for a full table.  Change will take care of itself.  Bigger starting stacks just get sloppy, especially when all those smallish denoms find their way to one or two stacks.

If I were you and set on a T150k starting stack, I'd go with:

T500 x 10
T1000 x 10
T5000 x 12
T25,000 x 3

That'll change your totals significantly (I wouldn't buy that many extra 5k's even if that are your workhorses).  I subscribe to the ~85% color up rule -- have enough chips to color up ~85% of the denoms coming off the table.  The 500's will color up to 5000's (at the break, have the big stack buy them all from the table and then cash him out -- then you don't need a bunch of odd 1000's to color up 10 different people).  This set up will give you enough 5000's to color up the 500's and 1000's.

T500 x 200
T1000 x 200
T5000 x 300
T25,000 x 100 - 120*

*You can get 120 and be safe, 100 might be a bit short, but you have plaques too...  getting only 100 will give you the added bonus of fitting evenly into 8 chip racks. 

If you want to go safely with 120 T25,000's, I'd do this:

T500 x 200
T1000 x 200
T5000 x 280
T25,000 x 120

Either way, these 800 chips will handle two tables easily (even without plaques).

At 59c per chip, this optimized chip breakdown will save you $120.

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« #18 : Apr 04, 2017 at 18:03 »

Going back and forth I see! ;)

After looking a bit more thoroughly I agree that your second suggestion is a bit heavy on T1000 chips and your third a bit heavy on 5k. If you don't like large starting stacks then there are of course ways to make the starting stacks more effective. But, as everyone knows, large stacks are cool! Except the lowest denom, they're a hassle. For example, if we're just ten players I'll only use 120 greens for 12 T25s each, but use all my 325 blacks for 32 T100s each! Most of my players would rather have fewer, and if they ever organize a tournament then decisions like that will be up to them! ;)

My suggestion is this:
160 T500
320 T1000
320 T5000
200 T25000

12 players:
10 T500
25 T1000
24 T5000
(unless you hate big stacks)

20 players:
8 T500
16 T1000
16 T5000
2 T25000

You can even handle 25 players:
6 T500
12 T1000
12 T5000
3 T25000

And most importantly: our (different) preferences are second to your own!
« : Apr 04, 2017 at 18:19 tore »

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« #19 : Apr 04, 2017 at 18:49 »

Another thought: Let's assume a situation where the chips in play are maximized. 20 players X 150k is 3M. We usually have about 5 rebuys, so let's assume 10, meaning we add 1.5M. Lets assume everyone adds-on, and I don't know your rules but for the sake of argument let's assume they get 1.5 starting stacks, i. e. another 4.5M. That's a total of 9 million in play. After level 10 when all T500 and T1000 are exchanged, the rest of your chips (320 T5k and 200 T25k with my suggestion) are worth 6.6M, meaning you will need to have 24 T100000 plaques in play. At level 15 when the T5000 are removed that's a loss of 1.6M meaning 16 more plaques are needed. The tournament would end around level 19.

If you, like some players, don't like large stacks then you need even more plaques earlier.

This is an extreme example, but it's helpful to play around with numbers like this based on you add-on scheme and your experience. A cheap solution to the above could be to add some jumbo sized T500000 plaques. :)
To save money you could reduce the amount of T25000. (I wouldn't. If I created a custom set I would go all in!)
« : Apr 04, 2017 at 19:15 tore »

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« #20 : Apr 04, 2017 at 18:52 »

My take on rebuys is you don't need to give out starting stacks.  There are already 10 stacks worth of small chips on the table.  Rebuys should be given out as the largest chip on the table (and sometimes, a step up from the largest chip on the table, depending).

Someone just felted you....they can color down that large chip for you.

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« #21 : Apr 04, 2017 at 19:12 »

My take on rebuys is you don't need to give out starting stacks.  There are already 10 stacks worth of small chips on the table.  Rebuys should be given out as the largest chip on the table (and sometimes, a step up from the largest chip on the table, depending).

Someone just felted you....they can color down that large chip for you.

I totally agree, but I was unclear. With "1.5 starting stacks" I meant the amount, not the actual stack setup. They would either get 9 T25k chips or 1 chip and 2 plaques or 1 plaque and 5 chips.

Also I saw a confusing typo. I've corrected "everyone rebuys" to "everyone adds-on".
« : Apr 04, 2017 at 19:16 tore »

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« #22 : Apr 04, 2017 at 19:42 »

Tore,

Thanks for all the feedback, I'm at work so don't want to comment until I have a chance to dissect all the info you posted.  But I think I like what you have suggested.

"Big stacks" are not to much of an issues and I agree with limiting the lowest denomination to the minimum amount I think I can get buy with.

How does 1.5 addons work for you? Do you charge the same rate as the initial buy in?  I had never considered it but might encourage more money in the pot.

Thanks again everyone.
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« #23 : Apr 04, 2017 at 20:47 »

Addons of 1.5 the starting stack?!  Give them MORE than the starting stack?  As an add on!?

Encourages donk play.  Get lucky and put yourself in a good position.  Cards hold?  Well then, no worries, because you can top up to 150% of what you started with.

IMO, addons are usually 25-35% of the starting stack.  Rebuys are 75% to 100% (generally, 100%) of the starting stack.

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« #24 : Apr 04, 2017 at 21:02 »

I charge the same for the initial stack as for rebuys and addons.

Pros for 1.5 stack add-ons:
  • encourages add-ons, meaning larger pot
  • prolongs the "playable part" of the poker night. What I mean is that when the blinds start getting near the stage of allin-or-fold poker everyone gets a boost and can play real poker a while longer. (same effect with just 1 stack, but even more so with 1.5)
  • since more people add-on and get more for it, more plaques will be in play :)

Cons
  • players feel forced to add-on
  • winnings from the early stages are even more devalued than with "normal" add-ons.

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« #25 : Apr 04, 2017 at 21:14 »

IMO, addons are usually 25-35% of the starting stack.  Rebuys are 75% to 100% (generally, 100%) of the starting stack.

We're a bit off topic now, but 35% would be just over 6.5 big blinds in this case. I would nevet pay a full fee for 6 big blinds. I wouldn't bother with addons in this case, unless it was really cheap.

In my experience addons are usually a full starting stack, if not more.

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« #26 : Apr 04, 2017 at 22:51 »

I like your breakdown Tore. 

I get trying to save money by getting 800 chips and I know I can run on less for sure, but I have a birdcage that holds 1000 so might as well fill it up. 

The only way I could consider going less is maybe splitting to 2 different sets, on for tourneys and one for cash games, but I have yet to run a cash game so don't see much of a point at the moment.

Also, with your 1.5 addon, its only for addons correct? not rebuys?  I might give it a shot and see how it does.

Thanks again for all the feedback from everyone
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« #27 : Apr 05, 2017 at 05:28 »

I like your breakdown Tore.  

I get trying to save money by getting 800 chips and I know I can run on less for sure, but I have a birdcage that holds 1000 so might as well fill it up.  

The only way I could consider going less is maybe splitting to 2 different sets, on for tourneys and one for cash games, but I have yet to run a cash game so don't see much of a point at the moment.

Also, with your 1.5 addon, its only for addons correct? not rebuys?  I might give it a shot and see how it does.

Thanks again for all the feedback from everyone

Since you haven't run a cashgame I agree with you. Why invest if you don't know you like it? You can try cashgames using any chips, including these ones, just a question of deciding the cash value. Or buy a cheap 300 chip set.

Correct,  addons, not rebuys. Rebuys gets you 100% of a starting stack.

Word of warning: Whatever setup you choose you're not going to please everyone. You're probably gonna get both complaints and praise. When I tried 1.5 addons the first time some players complained and some said it wad the best setup so far.

For that reason I mix it up. Sometimes we play freezouts, sometimes unlimited re-buys with addons, sometimes single re-buy OR addon, sometimes the addon is 1 stack and sometimes 1.5. Haven't tried shootouts yet, but it's coming!  :)
« : Apr 05, 2017 at 05:31 tore »

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« #28 : Apr 05, 2017 at 06:57 »

My take on rebuys is you don't need to give out starting stacks.  There are already 10 stacks worth of small chips on the table.  Rebuys should be given out as the largest chip on the table (and sometimes, a step up from the largest chip on the table, depending).

Someone just felted you....they can color down that large chip for you.

Agree. I pre set 10 starting stacks. The first 4 rebuys are with fives. Then I move to 25's.

Of course this is for a cash game.

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« #29 : Apr 05, 2017 at 11:55 »

We're a bit off topic now, but 35% would be just over 6.5 big blinds in this case. I would nevet pay a full fee for 6 big blinds. I wouldn't bother with addons in this case, unless it was really cheap.

In my experience, the cost to addon is typically 25% to 35% of the buyin cost.  I would never offer a full price addon.  That's called a rebuy.

In the few addon tournaments that I've hosted the buyin, addon and rebuy have all been nearly the same ratio of chips to dollars.  Sometimes you just need a little juice...then you get an addon.  Sometimes you get felted, then you get a rebuy.

Word of warning: Whatever setup you choose you're not going to please everyone. You're probably gonna get both complaints and praise. When I tried 1.5 addons the first time some players complained and some said it wad the best setup so far.

Truth.

We run a lot of different games with alot of different buyins and rebuy/addon options.  People prefer the game format that suits their style of play.  Lots of people liked the Pineapple tournament.  I loathed it.

Let me throw out one option.  We start our season with a Pick-a-Stack event.

$30 for T75,000
$40 for T100,000
$50 for T125,000

We've run even more buyin amounts.  We've forced players to rebuy at their buyin level and also (in a different season) let them rebuy at any amount.  Players tend to use the stack size that fits their game.

You may ask why anyone would start with the short stack.  Our league is 11 events long, then 2 post season events.  The Championship is based on season points and, using Neau's formula, you can get more points winning a tournament with a smaller buyin.  If a player can do well with a shorter stack, he earns more points.  Its possible to get more points for second place than for winning the tournament.

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« #30 : Apr 05, 2017 at 12:57 »

I would never offer a full price addon.  That's called a rebuy.
...
Sometimes you just need a little juice...then you get an addon.  Sometimes you get felted, then you get a rebuy.

I see the confusion now.  :)

Perhaps I'm using the wrong word, but when I wrote "add-on" I meant the purchase of more chips when the rebuy period has ended. If level 1-6 allow rebuys, this is an optional purchase in the pause before level 7. In my experience, these type of "add-ons" cost the same as the buy-in and you either get a 100% or 150% of the starting stack value. The logic behind offering more is that X chips isn't worth as much at this stage as it was when the tournament started. You want a decent amount of big blinds if you're gonna pay another full fee.

It seems like you are talking about buying more chips during the rebuy period without being felted. In that case I agree, 1.5 stacks would be insane! :)

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« #31 : Apr 05, 2017 at 13:22 »

The logic behind offering more is that X chips isn't worth as much at this stage as it was when the tournament started. You want a decent amount of big blinds if you're gonna pay another full fee.

While that may be true, the amount you are able to win has also increased due to more money going into the prize pool.

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« #32 : Apr 05, 2017 at 14:32 »

While that may be true, the amount you are able to win has also increased due to more money going into the prize pool.

Correct, but chips with the devaluation of your chips, your equity in that larger prize pool may have gone down.

http://www.thepokerbank.com/strategy/tournament/icm/what/

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« #33 : Apr 05, 2017 at 16:39 »

Ok, so I think I'm getting close to finalizing my set here. 

Some of my thoughts.  I want to end up with 2 sets of chips when I'm all said and done.  1000 chips for up to 20 players, and 500-600 for a smaller game.  Different design just to change it up now and then. 

So, I think I'm going to limit this ceramic set to 600 chips, with plaques for the T150,000 "Big money" game.  Then I will save up for 1000 really nice clay chips for a more traditional T10,000 game for 20 plus players. 

So this with breakdown if my numbers are correct (please correct me if I'm wrong) I have enough 5000 chips to colour up the 500 chips.  I also have enough plaques and 25,000 chips to allow for around 40 rebuys/addons (or to bump up to T200,000 or something) that should be more then enough. 

Anyone want to tell me to turn back? hahaha. 


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« #34 : Apr 06, 2017 at 07:53 »

Seems reasonable. If you add a few more 5K you can still accommodate 20 players with reasonable stacks:

500: 6 each
1k: 7 each
5k: 8 each (total of 160 needed)
25k: 2, 4, or 6 each depending on starting stack size
(all rebuys might not work, but there's nothing wrong with a good ole fashioned freezout)

The 5k chips can be taken out of any of the other denoms.

I don't think anyone at this forum will talk you out of owning several sets! ;)

However, I recommend first hosting a cashgame. Just try it out! It can be small stakes, doesn't matter. It's great fun once in a while to actually play some poker, instead of choosing you spot in the shovefest that home poker tournaments usually turn into.

If you don't like it, well then no harm done! Go for the two tournament sets! If you can still afford them after the cashgame... ;)

If you like it, then you should go for one tournament set (1000 chips) and one smaller cashgame set.

This way people who bust can start a cashgame instead of going home or railing. Even on cashgame nights it's fun to start with a turbo-ish freezout tourney, in your case perhaps a T50k or T100k with say 15min blinds, and let players join the cashgame when they bust.

Also, anyone here will tell you the benefits of having different cashgame and tournament chips.

I never thought I'd host cashgames until my friends literally forced me. I got hooked and the night after I started googling for cash sets :)

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