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: HORSE Cash Game Buy-In  ( 3181 )
colossalboom
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« : Aug 09, 2011 at 12:39 »

Hello,

Our group is thinking of running a HORSE or HOSE cash game with the following format:

Ante $0.10
Bring-In/Small Blind $0.25
Big Blind/Small Bet $0.50
Big Bet $1.00

I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what would be a good min/max buy-in for this type of game?  I was thinking $20-$50 but for some reason that seems off to me...

Thanks for any input.

Cheers!
Martini
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« #1 : Aug 09, 2011 at 16:14 »

Max buy in for a Fixed Limit game is largely irrelevant. Rule of thumb for minimum is 12x the big bet which allows for a bet and three raises on each street so no side pot would be formed.

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William
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Bloody Marvellous


« #2 : Aug 10, 2011 at 06:03 »

I use the same buy-in limits as most casinos:

For No-Limit / Pot-Limit games:
Min: 20x BB
Max: 200x BB

For Limit games:
Min: 10x BB
Max: n.a.

Like Martini mentioned, a max is irrelevant.

Even if you apply a max of 50x the BB (which is ridiculously low),
and you're playing Stud with a pair on 4th street,
and you're capping the betting on every street (which is very unlikely),
and you're allowing a bet and 4 raises (while most allow only a bet and 3 raises),
you still won't get to the max buy-in:

$0.10 + 5x $0.25 + 5x $0.50 x4 = $11.35
which is still less than 50x $0.25 = $12.50

So by all means, go sit down at a $0.50/$1.00 HORSE game with $10,000. It really doesn't matter, and doesn't give you any edge over the other players. (Except the oohs and aahs for your bankroll ;)).
« : Aug 10, 2011 at 06:07 William »

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colossalboom
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« #3 : Aug 10, 2011 at 09:06 »

Those seem like reasonable amounts.  I was basically thinking that since we're playing HORSE and the Hold 'Em portion will be no-limit, I figured 100 x BB would be good.  I guess with HORSE they don't have an upper limit traditionally since most of the games are limit or pot-limit??

Thanks.
Martini
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« #4 : Aug 10, 2011 at 18:15 »

You can play it however you want but the standard HORSE format is all Fixed Limit. Throwing NLHE into the mix deviates from the norm. Also, I absolutely HATE how the WSOP switched from FL HORSE to NLHE for the final table. That's just idiotic since NLHE and FLHE are both different animals. Yet another gripe that I have with the WSOP.

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stooks99
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« #5 : Aug 10, 2011 at 23:55 »

You can play it however you want but the standard HORSE format is all Fixed Limit. Throwing NLHE into the mix deviates from the norm. Also, I absolutely HATE how the WSOP switched from FL HORSE to NLHE for the final table. That's just idiotic since NLHE and FLHE are both different animals. Yet another gripe that I have with the WSOP.

I understand, and sort of agree with, what you're saying.  But, the semantics are pretty basic.  People don't want to watch HORSE on television, so ESPN isn't going to show it.  With no TV, entrants go down.  They want the 50k to remain there and be prestigious, so they had to compromise.  I, personally, don't have too much of a problem with it.  NLHE is the defining game of the current generation of poker, so it might as well be the deciding factor.  I would have been ok watching HORSE or NLHE, so I get the argument for both sides.

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Martini
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« #6 : Aug 11, 2011 at 00:40 »

You can play it however you want but the standard HORSE format is all Fixed Limit. Throwing NLHE into the mix deviates from the norm. Also, I absolutely HATE how the WSOP switched from FL HORSE to NLHE for the final table. That's just idiotic since NLHE and FLHE are both different animals. Yet another gripe that I have with the WSOP.

I understand, and sort of agree with, what you're saying.  But, the semantics are pretty basic.  People don't want to watch HORSE on television, so ESPN isn't going to show it.  With no TV, entrants go down.  They want the 50k to remain there and be prestigious, so they had to compromise.  I, personally, don't have too much of a problem with it.  NLHE is the defining game of the current generation of poker, so it might as well be the deciding factor.  I would have been ok watching HORSE or NLHE, so I get the argument for both sides.

The vast majority of the players in a tournament never have their face and/or name featured in a broadcast. And players who are featured are often the big names or pros who I think would play regardless of it being televised. I don't think that televising an event has a significant effect on the attendance.

I see what you're saying about ratings and that's understandable. Personally I don't think the WSOP needs to sell themselves out to produce compelling television that garners viewership. Playing FL HORSE then switching to NLHE seems as ridiculous to me as playing the Super Bowl with Arena Football rules to try to get a higher scoring game and better ratings.

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William
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Bloody Marvellous


« #7 : Aug 11, 2011 at 01:19 »

Nowadays they're playing Eight Game Mix, and NLHE is a part of it.

I agree though. I loved the coverage of the HORSE games on the 2008 50k HORSE.

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colossalboom
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« #8 : Aug 12, 2011 at 08:52 »

Ah...I thought the Hold 'Em portion of HORSE was no limit for some reason.  Makes sense that it's limit though.

Thanks for the suggestions folks!
William
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Bloody Marvellous


« #9 : Aug 13, 2011 at 13:52 »

Just start here, and enjoy :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Y9IULlFek

I'll play you in any game you name for any amount you can count.
Martini
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« #10 : Aug 13, 2011 at 14:42 »

Just start here, and enjoy :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Y9IULlFek

Ahhh...those were the days. When at the final table of a HORSE event, they played...HORSE!

(not a real alcoholic beverage)
William
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Bloody Marvellous


« #11 : Aug 19, 2011 at 03:57 »

Just came across:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3BKaOpK-Ww
« : Aug 19, 2011 at 04:49 William »

I'll play you in any game you name for any amount you can count.
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