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The flop was K Q 4 w/ 2 spades, not sure of other suit but it was Q 4 of spades. I really did not mumble anything bad when the spade popped on the turn, and like you I was trying to avoid a multi-way pot. In retrospect I probably should have popped it after Angie bet post flop but I had you on a fold and I was sort of trying to disguise my hand. I had planned all along on pushing if you raised (after Angie bet) as I was confident I had the post flop lead. Anyway, nice hand brutha!
I'm not trying to "justify" anything. I posted it because there is obviously holes within the way I played the hand and this is the best way for me to learn. I agree with everything you said about Angie. I wasn't worried about her. She drastically over plays her hands. Anything top pair and she is sold on it. I agree about Mike as well. With him being an "Unknown" I wasn't sure where I was at. I knew I was behind, but hell, who wouldn't. I didn't have him on a Flush Draw. I was as positive as you can be in Poker that if my flush draw hit, it would be the winner. I was also hoping that Mike was loser than what he was (he wasn't loose at all) and that if a King or a Ten hit then that would be a winner as well. I was wrong about that. That being said, I had committed myself to the hand, there was a ton of money in the pot. I had already come back in once, I was willing to do it again if need be. I wasn't going away for 35 more dollars. Quote from: mike32 on Nov 08, 2009 at 18:47The flop was K Q 4 w/ 2 spades, not sure of other suit but it was Q 4 of spades. I really did not mumble anything bad when the spade popped on the turn, and like you I was trying to avoid a multi-way pot. In retrospect I probably should have popped it after Angie bet post flop but I had you on a fold and I was sort of trying to disguise my hand. I had planned all along on pushing if you raised (after Angie bet) as I was confident I had the post flop lead. Anyway, nice hand brutha!If you raise Angie's $6 bet, and pending what the raise is, I would have definitely played it different. With your flop call I didn't have you on a set, that is for sure. You disguised it well. If you raise her 6 to say 15, then I probably just call. If you make it 20 or more, I probably go away.
I think it was a pretty good call on your part at that point because you were getting a fair price. Let's face it, we are not playing high stakes poker, I know it is all relative but it only cost you $35 bux. I really did not mind the call because I was confident I was ahead and due to have one hold up, I guess I still am due!On a different note have you ever considered a limit poker ring game. I feel that NL cash games can be tough to sustain long term due to hands like these. I have a feeling several players left with a bad taste in their mouth wishing they had just played a tourney. I happen to have the poker hook in my veins deep enough to keep coming back after all-in NL beats like this, I know they happen and accept it. However I feel that many recreational players are turned off by the sudden crushing losses that NL can bring. If this hand came up in a limit game we cap the betting post flop, and I probably fold when that spade comes on the turn, as does Angie. We both live to see more action. My personal preference is limit because I am not playing poker for a living, I try to win but the ultimate goal is recreation. I guess time will tell with your group if you announce another NL ring game, and I realize that many play NL and NL only. This is just a general observation by me.
I have a feeling several players left with a bad taste in their mouth wishing they had just played a tourney.
Hey Lucky - I suppose the main difference is people frequently lose say 50 to 100 bux in an hour (or less) in a cash game, but frequently play for 3 or 4 hours on $20 in a tourney. In a standard tourney you know your max loss up front, in a cash game the sky is the limit. By the the time I got to the game about 2 hours late, at least two people had already busted out for various amounts. One more did shortly after I arrived. I am not anti-cash game or anything, but this is a major difference.
Call me crazy, DD, but I like the way you played the hand, with the proviso that (based on your read of Angie) the only player to worry about was Mike. Ignore Angie for the moment (but not her $$$), and you have top pair with the 2nd nut flush draw. I think you do not dwell overlong on whether Mike has the nut flush draw, because what kind of Ace/x combo makes sense for him in this situation, based on the action? I might have flat called the $6.00 for the same reasons Mike did, and see what the turn brings but, once you put that raise in, I'm not abandoning that kind of pot, either.Hee-Haw.
I find a man who admits that he can't take the hard stuff, is sexy as all hell.