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« #50 : Jul 22, 2010 at 23:14 »

We have decided to start the new PCR line out with 7 base colors. A poll has been opened to gather member feedback on what they would like to see the most. You pick your three favorite colors and we will begin with the top 7 overall selected.

You can place your vote HERE ...

I know not everybody wants to open a new account on a new forum so I have attached a mock-up of the color options below and will combine any feedback offered here with the official votes received in the poll thread.



I have done my best, in the mockup above, to accurately depict the colors as they truly appear on the chips. For those who have the current PCR's I have added, in parentheses, where you may find an example of the non-standard colors presented. For example, the Electric Pink color offered here can bee seen as one of the edge-spot colors on the current Purple 500 PCR's.

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« #51 : Jul 23, 2010 at 06:31 »

I can't pick just 3... what were you thinking?

#4 for the $0.25
#1 for the $1
#13 for the $5 (no other reds, so no choice)
#12 for the $25 (no other greens so no choice)
#3 for the $100
#10 for the $500
#8 for the $1000
#5 for the $5000

Will these be solids? Or will they have edgespots as well?

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« #52 : Jul 23, 2010 at 08:55 »

I can't pick just 3... what were you thinking?

#4 for the $0.25
#1 for the $1
#13 for the $5 (no other reds, so no choice)
#12 for the $25 (no other greens so no choice)
#3 for the $100
#10 for the $500
#8 for the $1000
#5 for the $5000

Will these be solids? Or will they have edgespots as well?


These will be used as solids as well as the base colors for their corresponding edge-spotted counterparts.

The goal of the vote is to determine most popular colors overall. Since ultimately these can be customized, the denominations are not as much of an issue because people can choose what denominatons they want on whatever base color they want.  So the Sky Blue could be a ONE chip (my choice too), but if someone wanted a Sky Blue TEN chip then we can do that too.

Thanks for the feedback!!

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« #53 : Jul 23, 2010 at 13:32 »

But aren't you going to have standard denoms at least for the initial group buy?
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« #54 : Jul 23, 2010 at 17:33 »

But aren't you going to have standard denoms at least for the initial group buy?

Not sure yet. If we provide standard denominations then these labels will be printed in China, which means that we will have less control over the color accuracy and print quality. Not that there is anything particularly wrong with their work but we can't refine our palette until it matches either. Also they would not blend as well (well enough probably) with chips that we may print later down the road to fill in a set or add-ons to an existing set. This would probably allow the pricing to be a little less expensive though.

This also means we have to get a greater level of consensus from the forum members which is difficult to do. I would hate for someone to not participate because they need a "10" chip and the consensus dictates that we do not make one. This could end up excluding people from this opportunity.

Still a lot to hash through, logistically, and I am not sure where we fall on all the issues but we will see what kind of a time/price difference we may be looking at between custom labels and stock labels and how that affects sentiment.

At the end of the day these new PCR's promise to be a SMOKIN' hot set of affordable chips!! And I want everyone to have the opportunity to get their ideal chip set here! There is still a lot to do. We need to drum up more interest also, to make this happen. We seem to have about 10-15 active participants thus far and will need to probably triple that if we hope to proceed. So I am going to try and balance the ability to get ideal and UNIQUE chips with whatever it takes to make this whole venture a reality!!

So spread the word and keep the feedback coming!!! :)


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« #55 : Jul 24, 2010 at 08:51 »

I like the middle left red solid on reply 22.  I think it is called the iron flower.  Thats the best so far in my book and I really don't like the capsule at all  :)
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« #56 : Jul 27, 2010 at 21:34 »

Bottom three are my faves . . .

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« #57 : Jul 31, 2010 at 12:18 »

The biggest problem with this thread (both on the homepokertourney site and on the chipchatonline site) is the lack of updates/progress.  I know the polls close on the base colors some time in August but I thought I'd submit for consideration a color scheme and a spot progression.  Given that Garyon has said that there will only be 7 chips in the initial offering, I thought that the following progression was in order 25c, $1, 5$, $25, $100, $500, $1000.  Ideally we could have a 5c chip and a $5000 chip as well but I figured that this would allow someone to make a fairly decent 25c/50c cash set as well as a decent T5000/T10,000 tourney set ($25 - $1000).  Some would say that a $5000 chip would be necessary for a tourney set but since I bought 10 $5000 chips for my china clay set which have never once been needed I tend to disagree (though perhaps a multitable tourney would be different.

You will also notice that I chose what I would call "electric green" for the $25 chip.  This is the color used as an edgespot on the $25 and $500 denoms of the standard china clay sets, and I've already expressed my confusion as to why it wasn't one of the base color options posted by Garyon.  I'm assuming that its exclusion was an oversight which hopefully can be remedied as I think its a cool colored chip which evokes the Aztar $25.

So, without further ado:


Critiques/comments/any action on these threads at all welcome.
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« #58 : Jul 31, 2010 at 12:28 »

Or an alternative progression:
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« #59 : Jul 31, 2010 at 12:37 »

Or another option entirely:

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« #60 : Jul 31, 2010 at 12:38 »

I think I'm starting to realize how addictive the chipfactory on chiptalk can be... :o
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« #61 : Aug 01, 2010 at 11:48 »

Since nobody has commented on my previous mockups I think I can assume that I'm the only person checking this thread. Oh well... here is another!



I changed the spots on the 25c to make it so that there aren't so many black spotted chips. I think it looks cool. I also keep messing with that $25. I decided to drop the "electric green" because it started to feel like it didn't belong in the set. To be honest, I don't really know the first thing about making a set cohere, but I really dig some of the colors/spots individually. I really like the current $100 and I like the $5 as well.
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« #62 : Aug 01, 2010 at 11:58 »

You can't tell me this set doesn't look sweet all lined up in barrels

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« #63 : Aug 01, 2010 at 12:06 »

I voted for #7 #8 and #9.  I could see myself building a cash set with those colors along with #6 as a .25 chip.
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« #64 : Aug 01, 2010 at 13:43 »

Many of us prefer solids.  But if I was given a 2000 chip set of your color choices, I would gladly use them  ;D .
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« #65 : Aug 02, 2010 at 15:04 »

Sorry for the absence!! I have been away and away from all forms of technology for the past several week and half (family campling trip)! I am catching up on the posts and chip relatedstuff. It's amazing  how quickly one can get behind!

I will be posting polls for color combinations soon.

To address a couple of questions ...

1. Currently we are planning on offering solids as well as edgespotted versions of the new PCR chips.
2. Yes ... I am interested in you ideas and thoughts on color combinations! Feel free to keep them coming!
3. These chips WILL get made. We are banking (literally) on there being enough interest to support their production (I believe that there is).

I applogize for the delays ... unfortunately UPC is not the only thing consuming my time. My day time gig as a web site/software developer has entered into a particularly intense period with a major redesign of a leading ecommerce site underway, and is taking a tremendous amount of my time as well. I ask for and appreciate everyone's patience while we make our way through the design phase of the PCR Redesign project. Rest assured ... IT IS HAPPENING!! :)

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« #66 : Aug 12, 2010 at 02:05 »

Got a couple of new things going on ...

1. Thread started to discuss what denominations people are interested in ... THREAD HERE

2. Thread started to discuss edge-spot colors ... THREAD HERE

In addition to Ttttubby's previous color suggestions I have added a few of my own ...











Feel free to comment here or in our threads at Chipchatonline.com ...


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« #67 : Sep 01, 2010 at 08:35 »

This project is beginning to crawl to it's conclusion ... whew!!  LOL Sorry for the constant delays and slow communication. Lot's of other outside projects eating up my time, but this re-design is hopefully coming to a close soon. We have been busy, in the meantime, trying to close out some more mundane, "behind the scenes" stuff. So far ...

I have assembled the final chip colors, edge-spots, and denominations.

I am in the process of determining what the pricing and minimum order would have to be in order to make this project come to life. Suffice to say we will need a considerable amount of interest. At the price that I am hoping to offer we are looking at a minimum order of 35,000 - 45,000 chips for each chip style. So if we want edge-spots AND solids we will need to get an order of 70,000 - 90,000 chips together. Of course if we charge a little more we can start with a slightly smaller order. So there's a lot to consider, but keep an eye open for an order thread to come soon!!

Also I have two remaining questions ...

QUESTION ONE: On the fractional chips (5 cent, 25 cent) would we prefer ...

1) .05, .25
2) 5c, 25c
3) 5, 25

I would like to hear what would work best for our international PCR players as well. I have been trying to not be denomination specific so that we can cover as many currencies as possible. I feel like option one may be most universal but not necessarily the most aesthetic.


QUESTION TWO: I was thinking that on these new chips I would do numeric denominations on both sides rather than have it spelled out on one side. Anybody in love with the number on one side and the text on the other?


I look forward to your responses!


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« #68 : Sep 15, 2010 at 08:47 »

Can't stay long ... but wanted to get these comps of the final chips posted before it got ridiculously too late!!

I will try to get an order post started soon!!






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« #69 : Oct 04, 2010 at 09:48 »

I know ... more delays. We just received some photos of the prototypes from the manufacturer. All-in-all a very good start but but not perfect. I am in the process of working through some questions and concerns and will keep you updated as to how progress is going.

I genuinely apologize for the constant delays. I am being pulled in 12 different directions and am doing my best to take care of everything simultaneously. DAMN the deadlines!! LOL ... Anyway, I really think, however, that when these are finally done, your patience will be well rewarded!

Stay tuned and please don't give up on us.


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« #70 : Oct 05, 2010 at 12:31 »

I am looking for some feedback on the choice of edge-spots and spot colors for the edge-spotted chips depicted in the mock-up posted two posts prior to this (Sep 15, 2010 at 08:47). I have one person who is not happy with the decisions that were made, but I personally, like them a lot. Other than that, I have not received much feedback on the edge-spots.

In fact, I am not getting much support for spotted chips at all, most folks expressing interest in solids only, and I was wondering if it's a matter of the edge-spot choices that were made or people are just not interested in edge-spots. At this point we may just hold off on the purchase of edge-spot chips all-together if we don't see some more significant support for them. We'll do it eventually (cause I prefer edge-spots ;) ), but if the interest isn't there, maybe it's more prudent to start with just solids and offer edge-spots later down the road.

Please ... let me know what you think. Whether you are interested in purchasing or not, I want to hear your thoughts!


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« #71 : Oct 08, 2010 at 10:13 »

No response .. no opinions? On other boards my latest edge-spot choices were getting a less than luke-warm response (that's putting it rather nicely) so I am anxious to understand where I am missing the boat.

So please post mock-ups of edge-spots that you DO like (keep in mind the color limitations that I am under - see previous post for available colors) pr post pictures of chips with edge-spots that you also like.

I am very anxious to make this project a success. I have larger plans for the whole Private Cardroom theme but everything hinges on a design that people can get excited about!!!


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« #72 : Oct 08, 2010 at 12:41 »

I've always been a fan of your work Gary, back from when you were a mainstay at Chiptalk.

I'll throw down a few opinions... you can take them or leave them:
- As to edgespot progression, I'm a big fan of progression, which I think is challenging in the last mockup. Having your busiest edgespot (the 8V) in the $1 position makes a cash set progression difficult.
- On colors, the yellow between the light green on the 25 is difficult to see on the mockup. It may however look perfectly fine at a larger scale or on the chip.
- Currently, the beginning of a T5000 tournament would have exactly 3 colors on the table using T25 and T100. Black, green, and yellow. Even though there are different shades of green, that may be too much green.

That's it for now.
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« #73 : Oct 11, 2010 at 20:17 »

Looking for a cash game set-up at the moment, and your solids are the clear favourite.  I am talking about the $0.25 through $100.00 chips.  Pure gold.

As for the edge spot versions, the only two I am not sold on are the T25, and the T1000.  The spots on the T25 blend too much for my tastes, and I just do not care for the colours on the T1000.

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« #74 : Oct 16, 2010 at 11:10 »

In response to feedback on the new PCR Edge-spot designs I am running some polls so community members may submit and vote on possible edge-spot/color combination's. I have taken several ideas so far and posted them on my ChipChatOnline forum.

I would invite anyone interested to submit any ideas of your own as well as voting for the one that most appeals to you as well. Submissions are being accepted until Sunday evening when the actual polls will be added to the threads.

I understand that not everyone is up for creating an account and voting on the other forum ... no problem. Sunday night I will post a thread here, as well,  that will allow you to vote for your favorite designs.

I am also posting the images for you to look at here as well...















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« #75 : Oct 16, 2010 at 19:58 »

Added an additional orange and gray combination.


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« #76 : Oct 17, 2010 at 22:38 »


I have created the polls so that you could vote on which v2 PCR color/edge-spot combination's you liked best. They can be found here ...

Pink Chip Poll
Blue Chip Poll
White Chip Poll
Red Chip Poll
Green Chip Poll
Black Chip Poll
Purple Chip Poll
Orange Chip Poll
Gray Chip Poll

I know not everybody will like everything, and I know that there may not be a design that you like for all the colors. If you see a color that you just don't like any options for. Please refrain from voting for that chip. If a chip receives a particularly low number of votes, that will serve as a "this one sucks" vote :D

Thanks again for all your help and input!!


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« #77 : Nov 08, 2010 at 01:02 »

OK ... The results are in. The pink and red were tied so I invoked the tie-breaker (my wife), and here is what the communities ultimately decided were their favorites.




While I am waiting for the prototypes to arrive I will begin to work up labels for this new color scheme. I would love to hear people's feedback and thoughts on these selections. It doesn't look like anybody got EVERYTHING they wanted but I am hoping that there s a little something here for everyone.

I will also mock up the new labels on solids as well since I know that many/most people are waiting for solids.

Thanks to everyone who participated in the polls. I apologize again, that this process is dragging out so long, but appreciate everyone's continued patience and attention!

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« #78 : Nov 09, 2010 at 17:50 »

OK ... The results are in. The pink and red were tied so I invoked the tie-breaker (my wife), and here is what the communities ultimately decided were their favorites.




While I am waiting for the prototypes to arrive I will begin to work up labels for this new color scheme. I would love to hear people's feedback and thoughts on these selections. It doesn't look like anybody got EVERYTHING they wanted but I am hoping that there s a little something here for everyone.

I will also mock up the new labels on solids as well since I know that many/most people are waiting for solids.

Thanks to everyone who participated in the polls. I apologize again, that this process is dragging out so long, but appreciate everyone's continued patience and attention!

Peace,
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Nice outcome ....

  I would have liked to see a true Casino style  "Edge spot progression" for the set, where no 2 chips have the same edgespot "pattern" .....
For example, the red, green & orange have the same edgespot pattern, ... the '3' lines ... If one chip had the center line only, (with the 2 other lines being the chip base color, in effect invisible), & another chip had a specific  2 of the 3 ...... you'd have 3 "different" edgespots for those chips ...
    Likewise, the white, grey & purple have the same edge pattern, but by making  4 (or more) of the triangles "dissapear" by using base color, each chip could be a different edge spot pattern, staying within the limits of the Mfgr's choices of spot designs, just making some of the spots "base color" & in effect creating another spot style ... ... The purple chip could have, say, just 2 opposing triangles that you could 'see' ...
    
   If/when I I have the extra cash for a true custom clay set, I' think I will end up going for an full casino edgespot progression .....
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« #79 : Nov 15, 2010 at 02:35 »

OK ... I took the poll results and attempted to do something with edge-spot progression. I switched the colors for the pink and red chips, thinking that they would accommodate progression better than the choices previously made. Since these two were tied after voting I had originally chosen  one of the tied color. I simply chose the other color combination that had tied so these are still the colors that "won" at the polls.

Additionally I am playing with the idea of modifying the label design so that it is more neutral and universal in application. I think it actually reads more vintage and, in my opinion, works well with the new mold and colors. I look forward to hearing your feedback. Folks should be happy to know that it will not include the "Private Cardroom" text around the perimeter of the label.

As a general update I am still waiting to see the prototypes from China. They have been shipped and I am awaiting them to hit my mail box. There are also a few outstanding questions with the manufacturer that we are also waiting answers on.

I am going to have to stop trying to make everybody happy soon and just settle on a design and suffer the consequences, otherwise this thing may never happen at all. With that I am hopeful that we are getting VERY close with this latest mock up. As always I am interested in hearing your feedback.









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« #80 : Nov 15, 2010 at 14:01 »

Wow, I really like the new edgespot progression though if it were up to me I would still switch the spot choices on the 25 and the 1000 (the colors are fine, but I think if you swapped the spots the progression would be perfect.  Not 100% on the new inlay, though I like the idea of a vintage variant on the PCR line.  Something about the background lines coming from the center doesn't quite work for me.  Since you are already doing a faux shaped inlay you might think about using a different shape for each denom as well.  In fact, what if you were to take the "Casino Classic Design" and rework it slightly for the inlays on this chip.  (I've got the perfect background image to use...)
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« #81 : Nov 16, 2010 at 16:11 »

Wow, I really like the new edgespot progression though if it were up to me I would still switch the spot choices on the 25 and the 1000 (the colors are fine, but I think if you swapped the spots the progression would be perfect.  Not 100% on the new inlay, though I like the idea of a vintage variant on the PCR line.  Something about the background lines coming from the center doesn't quite work for me.  Since you are already doing a faux shaped inlay you might think about using a different shape for each denom as well.  In fact, what if you were to take the "Casino Classic Design" and rework it slightly for the inlays on this chip.  (I've got the perfect background image to use...)
I agree with the switch 25/1K spot designs
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« #82 : Nov 17, 2010 at 00:39 »

Still prefer the solids, but I like this progression of edgespots better than previous offerings.

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« #83 : Nov 17, 2010 at 19:04 »

I think that this iteration will wrap up the design process. I have done my very best to meet as many people's wishes as possible. We have now, however, entered something akin to "analysis paralysis" ... spending so much time on what we COULD do that we don't actually do ANYTHING. I, unfortunately, am not going to be able to design a chip that EVERYBODY likes. Nobody has done that (as far as I know), but I believe that we are at a place where many/most people can find something that speaks to them.

The truth is, while there are some very good additional points and suggestions being offered regarding edge-spot and label designs ( 3 colored chips, "proper" edge-spot progression, etc), MOST people who are interested in these chips are NOT interested in edge-spots. I would hate to lose that interest while spinning wheels over edge-spots.It may be possible to update or add new edge-spots to the line  at a later date if the chips generate enough interest to warrant it (I hope so ... I really like where these are and where they could go from here as well). This is not the end but a step along the way ...

I HAVE made some of the changes that were recently suggested regarding the edge-spots and, in My opinion, cleaned up the "inlay" a bit as well.

It's time to begin to focus on manufacturing and pricing issues which have been in a holding pattern because of the vacillating design  ...

So please find below the final version of edge-spots and labels. The chips are being dubbed "Private Cardroom Vintage" and "Private Cardroom Vintage Solids".










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« #84 : Nov 17, 2010 at 23:16 »

Gary,

Wow. You NAILED it! Edgespot progression works. Edgespot colours work. Love the new 25. Also love the new label and the "Vintage" name.

Well done.
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« #85 : Nov 18, 2010 at 18:19 »

Rubs hands in glee . . .   and to think I was thinking of ordering Pharoah's.  Cannot wait to see the pricing and, more importantly, the ORDERING information. 

Private Cardroom Vintage Solids . . . I likey

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« #86 : Dec 28, 2010 at 23:01 »

Any updates on this?  These chips look awesome btw.  Thanks!
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« #87 : Jan 06, 2011 at 14:57 »

Long awaited update. I apologize for the Holiday slow down. The response time from the manufacturer is not exactly lightning quick so we are moving at their pace.

The latest on PCR "Vintage" house mold chips...

I received prototypes from the first mold that was made. The mold however, was so shallow they almost looked like "no-mold" chips, particularly the chips with edge-spot designs. We have appealed to the manufacturer to create a mold which will create a deeper, more pronounced impression. They are trying to charge us for a second mold, which, since the first mold was not acceptable, we feel is not our expense to bear. So that is currently being negotiated.


PCR Dealer buttons ...

I have just received a new inventory of 2" and 3" PCR ceramic dealer buttons/coasters. So these will be put up on the web site soon (weekend).send an email to ... spade@uniquepokerchips.net ... with the order details. I can send you an invoice with the cost.

Prices for the buttons (not including shipping and transaction fees) are the same as our other buttons.

2" Dealer Button   - $8.95
3" Dealer Button   - $8.95
3" Dealer Buttons (4 pack) - $24


Again I appreciate your patience.


Peace,
Gary




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spade@stenstrom.net

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