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: Help out a dealer's choice fish  ( 4217 )
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« : Sep 03, 2008 at 19:27 »

I will be playing in a dealer's choice cash game tomorrow night.  25 cent ante, limit I'm sure, but I'm guessing it will be 'anything goes' gamewise and probably some wild card games.  Can someone help me by pointing out the kind of games that offer serious dealer advantage, and those that you really have to be careful about being sucked in to a big pot with little hope?  Worst to play out of position, etc.  I just want to have fun and minimize the damage in the nastiest games.  I'm competent only at holdem.

Think Night Baseball, Criss-Cross, 727, No Peek, and who knows what.  I have a little, usually painful, experience with some of these. 

Thanks

R-Ho

« : Sep 03, 2008 at 19:31 R-Ho »
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« #1 : Sep 03, 2008 at 19:47 »

Clearly, position is largely moot in Stud games since the betting order is determined by the up cards.There are games where having position is more important than others but frankly in a low stakes fixed limit game I think you are going to be looked up way too often for it to matter much. If you are indeed a DC fish then I would concentrate more on just being patient and waiting for good starting hands. Just fold hands until you get some nutty monster hand and then bet the crap out of it because you will get callers.

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« #2 : Sep 03, 2008 at 19:47 »

I don't play any of these games, and I probably wouldn't, so sorry I can't help you.

I did use to play baseball back in the day, but I sucked at it.


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« #3 : Sep 04, 2008 at 17:23 »

I'm off to the party, I'll report on how I do.
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« #4 : Sep 06, 2008 at 18:22 »

I'm off to the party, I'll report on how I do.
How'd it go?
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« #5 : Sep 07, 2008 at 10:34 »

I'm off to the party, I'll report on how I do.
How'd it go?

Well, since he's used over 2 days to answer, my guess it went bad.

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« #6 : Sep 08, 2008 at 02:15 »

I'm off to the party, I'll report on how I do.
How'd it go?

Well, since he's used over 2 days to answer, my guess it went bad.
Good point.
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« #7 : Sep 09, 2008 at 01:59 »

I'm off to the party, I'll report on how I do.
How'd it go?

Well, since he's used over 2 days to answer, my guess it went bad.
Good point.

Was to be a weekend of golf, fishing, and poker.  We never played poker, the group went for
beer-pong instead on the evening I was there.

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« #8 : Sep 11, 2008 at 21:14 »

I hope you had a good time doing it R-Ho.  Having fun, be it with poker or anything else, is what is important, after all.
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« #9 : Sep 12, 2008 at 07:54 »

I'm off to the party, I'll report on how I do.
How'd it go?

Well, since he's used over 2 days to answer, my guess it went bad.
Good point.

Was to be a weekend of golf, fishing, and poker.  We never played poker, the group went for
beer-pong instead on the evening I was there.

R-Ho

More importantly, did you win at Beer Pong?  :)

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« #10 : Sep 15, 2008 at 22:16 »

Well, that's a loaded question.  Yes, our team (we play doubles) kept 'winning' on points, but that meant it was our table, so we took on new challengers. Win or lose, if you're at the table you drink your share, so our winning ways earned me a nice hangover.

R-Ho
« : Sep 17, 2008 at 14:36 R-Ho »
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« #11 : Jul 14, 2009 at 12:25 »

Our annual Golf, Fishing, Poker, Beer-Pong fest happened again last weekend, and we did play poker this time. (well, it was kinda like poker anyway...)

Organizer (not me) decided that it was to be nickel, dime, quarter limit stakes.  Max three raises.

Other than knowing what the poker hand rankings were, and that you rotate the deal to the left, most everyone did not know how to properly play poker.

1) I provided a deck of Copags and a cut card.  No one except me knew what the cut card was for. But, they readily accepted its use.
2) Players very often took their hole cards off the table, holding them in their lap.
3) Rotating deal, dealers often took the deck off the table, holding stub in their lap.
4) Discussing the hand and coaching was rampant.
5) Acting out of turn was rampant.
6) Splashing the pot was rampant.  

(5&6 occurred so often that, despite my suggesting they not do it, someone coined the term 'splurning', for acting out of turn and splashing the pot in the same motion. Under the circumstances that was actually pretty funny, and it served to get the players to start setting their bets in front of them, for they generally agreed this was a good practice.)

7) If someone opened for, say, a quarter, someone raising could do so by adding only as little as a nickel.  Often, this was employed as a technique to limit the betting or, in the case of it beng the third raise, to forestall another player making a maximum raise. The third raiser could cap the betting with little more than a call. Result was that almost everyone limped in every hand.
8 ) There was no such thing as 'table stakes'. Chips were simply used as a convenience, but at any time, a player could buy chips from another player.
9) When someone declared the game to be Hold'Em, we'd play one hand, with antes but no blinds, since it was not to be an entire orbit.  Also, burning cards was optional, at the dealer's whim!
10) Although the stakes were 5c, 10c, 25c, they called a game named (I think) 'Rules'.  Wasn't a poker game at all, was just a game where each player puts four equal stacks of chips in front of them, and starting with the player next to the dealer and proceeding to the left, each player turned over one of his five hole cards.  If a player immediately to the left of him played the same ranked suit, then the first player forfeited one chip pile to the pot. Last player to have a stack remaining in front of them wins the whole pot.  Was kind of fun and a total luck game, but get this...the required stacks were four stacks of $1 each, so despite our limit of a quarter, this game's 'ante' was $4.

I was a bit of a rules nazi for a while, but finally had to resign myself to the fact that this situation was beyond repair for the night.  Was getting the typical responses that 'Hey, this is just a friendly game, not a casino, blah, blah blah...so I just said OK, I'll shut up, but I'll place a side bet with anyone here that an argument erupts by night's end over something that could be avoided.

I held my peace, and sure enough, later on a situation occurred that caused an argument.  I was immediately left of the dealer and decided not to ante $1 in the second round of a bizarre wild card game.  Just wanted to watch and learn at that point.  I walked away from the table and should not have been dealt in, but dealer dealt me a hand.  Organizer was dealt two wild cards and an Ace for his three down cards, and stated that my hand should be folded, but others argued for a misdeal.  Misdeal declared and Organizer pissed off about this.  Upon re-deal, dealer exposes one of three down cards to another player.  They have no consistent misdeal rule, so player with exposed card declares misdeal and everyone but Organizer throws their cards into the middle.  Organizer says 'bull' it doesn't matter that one of your hole cards is face up in this game (they have no replacement card treatmetn , so WTF??).  Organizer says I've been robbed of money twice, so says he's going to take $2.50 from the pot for this injustice. Dealer (host) says, OK, but I  charge $2.50 to play at my house, and I'm just charging you, so put that money back in the pot.  Bear in mind that the host doesn't care about the money, he's a doctor and we were playing at his $1M+ lake home.

Two guys say this isn't fun anymore and ask to cash out.  Organizer doesn't want game to end so acquiesces.  He apologizes and gets everyone back into the fold.  I ask Organizer (my friend for 40 years) "is this the first argument you ever had about this?"  He says, "no, we have arguments like this all the time."  I suggest that he adopt some consistent misdeal rules so that he doesn't have to ruin his poker games with petty arguments;he givesme the look like "why the hell didn't I think of that".

Anyway, it was a pretty good time everything considered.  I made about a buck and a half.  Hopefully, if I play with them again, they will have thought out some of this stuff.

R-Ho



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« #12 : Jul 14, 2009 at 16:27 »

Hey, you should tell them about this crazy new fad called Poker!  They might like to play it, y'know?
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« #13 : Jul 14, 2009 at 17:01 »

Hey, you should tell them about this crazy new fad called Poker!  They might like to play it, y'know?

Good idea.  Oh I forgot to mention that they had no concept of string-betting either, not that it mattered much given the raising policy.
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