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Mistakenly
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« on: Aug 08, 2007 at 20:21 »

Thanks nutN2Lewz for puttung up all your great vids on shuffling.

I was wondering if you are able to put someting together about the correct method for holding and pitching/throwing/dealing cards to players?
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 08, 2007 at 22:58 »

I will have another series of videos ready in about one month. There will be a video on pitching cards.

Good luck, nutn
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 09, 2007 at 11:18 »

Thank You
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« Reply #3 on: Oct 14, 2007 at 22:15 »

yes, please post it!  I watched the shuffling video and practiced for about 10-15 minutes.. I later played in a cash game and someone said they really liked the way i shuffled.  now if i could only learn to pitch!!

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 15, 2007 at 00:15 »

I am curious to see the video.  Spread black tar on the table, and get the pitch going....  Undecided
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« Reply #5 on: Oct 15, 2007 at 01:22 »

I have been practicing the pitch method from The Professional Poker Dealers handbook, but when watching poker on TV I almost never se dealers pitching like that...

The advantage with the method is that cards travel far, but it is VERY easy to flip a card over if you are not careful.

Just "tossing" the cards makes them less prone to flipping over, but it's harder to get them all the way across a big table.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 09:34 »

any word on the pitching video?
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 18, 2007 at 20:26 »

Curious also.  Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 28, 2008 at 21:38 »

OK, it's been a while since I initially put up the question whether there was a pitching vid... in the meantime I've been experimenting based on what I've seen in the card rooms.

Unfortunately it's always been a bit difficult to see the dealer's action as most finger movements are usually obscured by the deck. But, by extrapolating and experiementing I think I've worked it out. So here's my take on how to pitch cards:

Slide off the top card from the deck with your left thumb. Grasp the top card with your right hand about 1/3rd of the way forward, thumb on top, index and middle finger underneath. All three should be close together. Your right-hand ring finger meanwhile should be curled so it touches the fleshy part of your right-hand thumb, and when the card is grasped, the back of it should be resting against the right edge of the card, about 2/3rds of the way down.

The actual motion consists of flicking your ring finger, while lightly holding the card with the other fingers, to create a tight spin on the card. A slight flick of the wrist is used to send the card on its way.

Alternatively, you can use curl your middle finger instead of your ring finger to flick the card. It produces a much higher spin rate, but I find it more occasionally more difficult to get an accurate pitch.

Anyway, that's my guess at how it's done. It seems to work well for me. I hope you find it useful.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 29, 2008 at 05:56 »

Slide top card is right, the rest is wrong:-)

Pinch the corner of the card with your thumb and index finger, your middle finger should rest against the edge (long side) of the card.

Pitch the card by straightening your middle finger (and when needed, open your hand). When the card leaves your hand the hand is more or less lying on the table, palm up.

The stub is used as a "ramp" for the pitch.
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 29, 2008 at 22:39 »

Hrm... your method doesn't seem to be that different, other than where the index finger and thumb grip the card. "My" method just grips it a little further down from the corner.

As I said, my method was only a guess based on what I've seen in Crown Casino (Melbourne, Australia), and they definitely don't grip the corner.

How come you didn't speak up earlier, we've all be patiently waiting for guidance for months!  Wink
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 31, 2008 at 00:04 »

Do they pitch the cards face up and spinning clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere?
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 31, 2008 at 05:02 »

Hrm... your method doesn't seem to be that different, other than where the index finger and thumb grip the card. "My" method just grips it a little further down from the corner.

Well, the point of gripping the card with only thumb and one finger is that you get a fixed rotating point. I also think pitching it with the ring finger is hard because that finger is shorter than the middle finger (but I see now that you wrote middle finger as an alternative).

If I recall correct the book also says you shall NOT flick your wrist. The pitch is done entirely with your fingers. This is beacuse for the seats closest to the dealer you will need turn your wrist sligthly (you always pitch the cards straight forward, you aim by moving your arms).

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« Reply #13 on: Feb 01, 2008 at 02:28 »

Do they pitch the cards face up and spinning clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere?

lol... yes, but i still get blindsided by pocket aces  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: Feb 01, 2008 at 02:30 »

Hrm... your method doesn't seem to be that different, other than where the index finger and thumb grip the card. "My" method just grips it a little further down from the corner.

Well, the point of gripping the card with only thumb and one finger is that you get a fixed rotating point. I also think pitching it with the ring finger is hard because that finger is shorter than the middle finger (but I see now that you wrote middle finger as an alternative).

If I recall correct the book also says you shall NOT flick your wrist. The pitch is done entirely with your fingers. This is beacuse for the seats closest to the dealer you will need turn your wrist sligthly (you always pitch the cards straight forward, you aim by moving your arms).



Cool, thanks for the tip.

btw, do you have a reference for where I could find some instructions on what the correct method is? I think I've heard someone mention something about a guide book for dealers.
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« Reply #15 on: Feb 01, 2008 at 03:00 »

Well, I mention the book in an earlier post: The Professional Poker Dealers Handbook.

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« Reply #16 on: Feb 18, 2008 at 14:55 »

Yes, using your wrist will result in repetitive strain injury and lots of laughs from other dealers.
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 08, 2008 at 16:54 »

Slide top card is right, the rest is wrong:-)

Pinch the corner of the card with your thumb and index finger, your middle finger should rest against the edge (long side) of the card.

Pitch the card by straightening your middle finger (and when needed, open your hand). When the card leaves your hand the hand is more or less lying on the table, palm up.

The stub is used as a "ramp" for the pitch.

you just described a Double/Single Deck Blackjack pitch. that's done holding the front corner of the card with thumb and index finger and propelling it with your middle finger no wrist.

poker pitch is similar, but card is gripped somewhere near the middle of the card, not the front. deck is held very low to the table so the cards should glide along the surface. if you grip the card at the corner, there will be lots more "helicoptering" of the card and more chance it may flip during the delivery. try not to use much wrist or you'll be very sore the next morning.

my pitch isn't perfect by far - i was dealing Double Deck for a couple years before i dealt Poker, so i have a bit of a hybrid pitch, but hard and very accurate. when i was learning Double Deck, the instructor actually taped a couple popsicle sticks to a couple students' wrists to prevent their wrists from moving during the pitch. was funny, but worked like a charm.

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« Reply #18 on: Feb 08, 2010 at 06:06 »

Here's another way to do it.

Once you've used your left hand thumb to slide off the top card, grab it between your index and middle finger and pitch it by flicking these two fingers only. No flicking of the wrist or anything.
Takes some practice, but it can be done. A peer of mine does it this way - I can't do it, yet, but it looks kinda neat, also, I tend to flick my wrist, wich sometimes can cause pain in the joint of the wrist the next day.

Btw, pitching techniques can depend on the table cloth used. When you have speed cloth for example you can slide the cards off the stub with your right(!) hand and simply let it slide all the way to the player without much force needed.
Speed cloth saves you a lot of pitching power anyways, cause the cards slide pretty much on an "air cussion" - as easy as it gets.

Would be nice to have a vid, though. I pitch cards for a yeart or so, and I still can't do it in a satisfying way, fast and well enough, that is.
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