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nutN2Lewz
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« on: Jun 01, 2007 at 01:19 »

Standard poker shuffle
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 31, 2007 at 14:12 »

I have enjoyed these shuffling videos. I'm sure most of you guys/gals are damn near pro's by now. I shuffled the same as I always had since I was a wee little tot (pretty bad).

A few weeks ago I started watching these videos, practiced for about 10 minutes, and bam!!! I could shuffle.

At Wedges tourney last week (took 3rd) I was not only complimented on my stunning good looks, but was also complimented by two separate players on my shuffling.

So, Thanks Nutn for posting these.

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« Reply #2 on: Aug 31, 2007 at 14:27 »

keep them coming and thanks Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 26, 2008 at 13:30 »

 after he shuffles and he squares the deck, does he make the two piles from the top of the deck or from the middle? it is hard to see from that video
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 26, 2008 at 15:16 »

after he shuffles and he squares the deck, does he make the two piles from the top of the deck or from the middle? it is hard to see from that video

Top.

The question I have is:
In this video, when he strips the deck, he basically quarters it (pulls three seperate "strips" from the deck) before the last riffle.  In the "How To Strip Shuffle" video he states 3 "strips" of the deck.  I know it's probably just a preference, but is one standard?  Does it even matter?
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 24, 2008 at 05:08 »

Nut the video of shuffle is awesome. It really takes time to have a good shuffling hand. Although after having a look on this video for so many times I have improved a bit but not as good as it is shown in the video. But I would like to ask a question why he keeps the yellow card at the end. Does it makes any difference, don't think so? If yes please explain? Thank you 
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 24, 2008 at 08:46 »

Nut the video of shuffle is awesome. It really takes time to have a good shuffling hand. Although after having a look on this video for so many times I have improved a bit but not as good as it is shown in the video. But I would like to ask a question why he keeps the yellow card at the end. Does it makes any difference, don't think so? If yes please explain? Thank you 

The cutcard (yellow card) has two jobs. Prevent players from looking at the bottomcard, which can have a major effect on games like Hold'em. If you see a 10 on the bottom of the deck, and there are 3 other 10's on the board, it will change your play on that hand, because since there are only one 10 again, the chances are that the other person doesn't have it.

The other job the cutcard has is preventing bottom dealing.
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 25, 2008 at 03:10 »

If you see a 10 on the bottom of the deck, and there are 3 other 10's on the board, it will change your play on that hand, because since there are only one 10 again, the chances are that the other person doesn't have it.

One at the bottom, 3 on the board, and one left? I'd call for a deck change:-)
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 15:55 »

I'm having trouble doing this with my index finger, I usually use my thumb which doesn't seem to work as well.   Huh
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 16:04 »

I'm having trouble doing this with my index finger, I usually use my thumb which doesn't seem to work as well.   Huh

doing what with your index finger? you lost me.


BTW shuffles do vary slightly from casino to casino. my training was riffle, riffle, strip, riffle riffle. and we had to make sure the strip was at least 7 times, not 2 or 3.

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« Reply #10 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 16:16 »

I'm having trouble doing this with my index finger, I usually use my thumb which doesn't seem to work as well.   Huh

doing what with your index finger? you lost me.


BTW shuffles do vary slightly from casino to casino. my training was riffle, riffle, strip, riffle riffle. and we had to make sure the strip was at least 7 times, not 2 or 3.




Shuffling the cards, from the video it appears he's shuffling with his index fingers.  Or are his index fingers just guiding his thumbs?
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 09, 2008 at 16:36 »

the actual riffle is done with the thumbs, brushing the edges of the cards in an upward motion, while holding them close enough so the corners connect and interlace with each other. the index fingers like the other fingers only serve to keep the 2 stacks in place and prevent them from slipping away all over the table.
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« Reply #12 on: Oct 31, 2008 at 05:42 »

I am currently applying for a dealing position at a localish card club.  Its pretty new and its not like a casino or anything.   I mean dont get me wrong, its legit and professional, but not hella strict on perfect form.  I am having trouble getting the riffle down quickly, shuffling the cards so they mix in perfectly.  The cut it good, pitch is dam good etc, but the shuffle is a little iffy.  Lol, im also nervous to screw up a side pot if I get the job.  Any advice on shuffling? 

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« Reply #13 on: Oct 31, 2008 at 06:51 »

just keep practising your shuffle. it will get better with time.

calculating side pots with all-ins isn't that hard at all. i look at which is going to be less, the amount of the rest of the bet for the side pot or for the main, and calculate that. IE 5 bets at 20, 1 all-in for 8. 48 in the main. (or 60 in the side)
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« Reply #14 on: Oct 31, 2008 at 13:55 »

Right, but needless to say, im not very good with calculating that kind of thing on the spot lol.  I mean if I think about it, I am usually ok.  But quickly sometimes gets me....
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« Reply #15 on: Oct 31, 2008 at 14:27 »

 Grin just wait until you're doing it at a table, and 10 players are trying to tell you a different number for the side pot while you're in the middle of figuring it out for yourself. Tongue

never take the players' word for it when they tell you how much should be in the side.
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 01, 2008 at 14:01 »

Nice thanks for the vids!
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« Reply #17 on: Jun 11, 2009 at 20:35 »

nice.. card very secured!  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: Aug 06, 2009 at 16:17 »

I've gotta give this shuffle technique some practice.  I'm always lifting the 2 halves too much (well off the table surface) and likely giving players a good look at what's on the bottom.
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« Reply #19 on: Nov 27, 2009 at 13:13 »

I have really enjoyed these videos, thank you for sharing! To bad we cant shuffel in [link removed by ADMIN], lol!

go away, spammer.

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« Reply #20 on: Apr 18, 2011 at 03:03 »

Here's a really nice document on Dealer procedures:

http://www.wsop.com/pdfs/2010/2010-WSOP-Dealer-Reference-Guide.pdf

The WSOP uses a Riffle - Riffle - Strip - Riffle sequence (which they call Shuffle - Shuffle - Box - Shuffle).

Important rules for a good shuffle:
- Don't obscure the deck with your hands. The deck (or stub) should always be clearly visible to the players. This prevents dealer mechanics (or manipulation of the deck). If you need to straighten the deck after the shuffle, do so by pushing on the short edge of the deck, not by grabbing the deck from the top.
- Don't expose the bottom card during the shuffle.
- Don't shuffle more or less. This could be construed as dealer mechanics. Always use the same sequence.
- Use a cut card to prevent exposing the bottom card during the deal, and to prevent dealing from the bottom of the deck.

Why the strip shuffle?
- When riffling the cards the bottom and/or top card could potentially remain the same. This possibility is removed when stripping the deck. Observant players might still be able to tell in what section of the deck that card now is, so another riffle takes care of that.
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« Reply #21 on: Apr 19, 2011 at 01:32 »

Here's a really nice document on Dealer procedures:

http://www.wsop.com/pdfs/2010/2010-WSOP-Dealer-Reference-Guide.pdf

There were a few new points in there that I had not already read in The Professional Poker Dealers Handbook. Good document, interesting to see their procedures with chip bags.
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« Reply #22 on: Apr 21, 2011 at 13:07 »

Here's a really nice document on Dealer procedures:

http://www.wsop.com/pdfs/2010/2010-WSOP-Dealer-Reference-Guide.pdf

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Thanks, I added that link to my Poker Rules page.

Good luck, nutn
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« Reply #23 on: Jul 10, 2011 at 16:27 »

Hello, I'm really trying hard and I think I can handle the shuffling itself quite decently, but I'm having trouble in puting the two parts of the deck together again. Even though I push really hard , it's almost impossible to do it with some speed. Is it possible that my cheap plastic cards from China are at fault? Or can anybody give me any tips?
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« Reply #24 on: Jul 10, 2011 at 16:44 »

When the cards are sticky they are tough to push together again. Regan is using KEM cards, and those are quite slick. Copag's are even slicker and very easy to shuffle. And they don't cost a ton, like the KEMs. Try to get your hands on a deck of those.
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« Reply #25 on: Jul 11, 2011 at 15:44 »

Thx for your advice, thats probably it, my cards don't slide almost at all. Tried different cards (copag) borrowed from a friend and its much better
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« Reply #26 on: Aug 26, 2011 at 12:49 »

I liked this video a lot-I liked how he showed what he was doing several times, and did the shuffle, not really in slow motion, but at an easy enough pace so that you can see what he was doing. The only thing is, as a student dealer myself, I am looking at the process from a more formal point of view. This video, I suppose is meant for people that will be dealing home games, so he might not be going through it the way he would to train a casino dealer, but I have been trained a bit differently. Based on that I would say the following:
1. We're taught riffle riffle strip riffle, or Shuffle Shuffle Box Shuffle then cut. (Or if you deal in Vegas, evidently it's shuffle box shuffle shuffle).
2. He didn't release the deck (when you're through cutting, you let go of the deck and turn both your palms up). This might not be critical in a home game, but it's still probably a good thing to do; it shows the players you have finished your sequence and didn't do anything suspect.

Thanks for the great forums and videos  Smiley
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