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« on: Jan 26, 2012 at 01:05 »

Ok, here goes.  I am doing a 2-day tournament.  It is either going to be 2 flights of ~25 each or 1 flight of ~50 total.
If it is the 2 of ~25 each it would be 3 tables of 9/8/8.  This will be done at separate locations at the same time if doing the 2 flights.
If we do 1 flight, it will be 5 tables of 10.
The object is to get down to 16 - 25 people from a starting field of 50 by the end of day 1 which is round 16.  The blind structure is at the bottom.

My question is this:  Can the 50 at one location get down to 2 tables by the end of round 16 (30 minute rounds)?
By the way, starting stack is 20,000 and this is a freeze-out.

Level   Duration   Small Blind   Big Blind   Ante   Start Time   Chip Up
Round 1   30m   $25   $50   $0   0:00   
Round 2   30m   $50   $100   $0   0:30   
Round 3   30m   $75   $150   $0   1:00   
Break 1   15m            1:30   
Round 4   30m   $100   $200   $0   1:45   
Round 5   30m   $150   $300   $0   2:15   
Round 6   30m   $200   $400   $0   2:45   
Break 2   15m            3:15   yes
Round 7   30m   $300   $600   $0   3:30   
Round 8   30m   $400   $800   $0   4:00   
Round 9   30m   $500   $1,000   $0   4:30   
Round 10   30m   $600   $1,200   $0   5:00   
Break 3   15m            5:30   
Round 11   30m   $800   $1,600   $0   5:45   
Round 12   30m   $1,000   $2,000   $0   6:15   
Round 13   30m   $1,200   $2,400   $0   6:45   
Round 14   30m   $1,500   $3,000   $0   7:15   
Break 4   15m            7:45   yes
Round 15   30m   $2,000   $4,000   $0   8:00   
Round 16   30m   $2,500   $5,000   $0   8:30   
Break 5   15m            9:00   yes
Round 17   30m   $3,000   $6,000   $0   9:15   
Round 18   30m   $4,000   $8,000   $0   9:45   
Round 19   30m   $5,000   $10,000   $0   10:15   
Round 20   30m   $6,000   $12,000   $0   10:45   
Break 6   15m            11:15   
Round 21   30m   $8,000   $16,000   $0   11:30   
Round 22   30m   $10,000   $20,000   $0   12:00   
Round 23   30m   $12,000   $24,000   $0   12:30   
Break 7   15m            13:00   yes
Round 24   30m   $15,000   $30,000   $0   13:15   
Round 25   30m   $20,000   $40,000   $0   13:45   
Round 26   30m   $25,000   $50,000   $0   14:15   
Round 27   30m   $30,000   $60,000   $0   14:45   
Round 28   30m   $40,000   $80,000   $0   15:15   
Round 29   30m   $50,000   $100,000   $0   15:45
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 26, 2012 at 01:51 »

All other things being equal (which they of course never are) I would always shoot for the most tables/fewest people which will allow more hands to be played than at full tables. The more hands you get in the more flexibility you're going to have on your structure. If you can get seven tables in at your larger venue so you can play 7 handed that'd be my best case scenario. But if you can't swing that then I'd lean toward two locations if it will allow you to get more tables in play even though I in general have reservations about using two locations.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 26, 2012 at 02:46 »

Whay exactly is your gripe about multiple locations?
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 26, 2012 at 03:29 »

Logistics mainly. I'm OCD enough that it'd bother me to not have the clocks synched, not that they'd have to start at exactly the same time as much as the blind durations being exactly the same. The TD would not be able to be in both places at once of course so two cases of the same infraction might be ruled differently. Balancing would be impossible between locations so if one location ended up getting the majority of the action junkies by the luck of the draw then they would end up playing down faster than a bunch of rocks and the flow of the tournament would be different than if the rocks moved into the empty seats. You could also end up with a table of nine at one location and two tables of five handed at another so blinds would be hitting players at different rates.

Stuff like that. I imagine that given the choice that no one would prefer two locations over one and going with two locations is a last resort but it just throws in more complications that wouldn't be encountered if you could get everyone at the same venue.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 26, 2012 at 05:08 »

Believe me, I completely understand the OCD aspect of it all.  I have thought this out taking into account my own OCD Smiley.

Clocks would be synched between both locations.  That is already set up and tested.

There would be one TD at each location (we actually both put on our own tourneys and utilize the same exact rules for moving players, misdeals, dead button rule, etc).

The blind structure would be the same and we would start at the same exact time. 
We would also play down to a particular level.

This is really no different than how the WSOP runs multiple flights for the same tourney on day 1 of a multi-day tourney.

This is actually meant to be a 2-day tourney. 

But.....I guess the other option is one location the first day and just play 8-handed tables instead of 10.


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« Reply #5 on: Jan 26, 2012 at 15:05 »

Sounds like you're making the best of it and have things all sussed out. I've just never been in the situation of having to split venues and that prospect just gives me a headache. Also, not a fan of multi-day tourneys but that's another story. Sounds like you have your event well under control. Please publish a wrap up report so we can hear about how things went so others can benefit from your experiences.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 26, 2012 at 15:53 »

The biggest reasoning behind multi-venues was that I do not have enough room or chips to fit more than 27 people and wanted to get something closer to 50.  Plus, I don't have enough chips for 50, only about 30 and it is out of the question to get more chips as my chips are Paulson World's which are close to $1.40/chip and I already have 1,100 of them.
Once we merge on day 2 I will be fine.  Plus, I ordered some plaques for 10,000 value chips. 
I will definitely let you guys know how it goes.
BTW, the whole idea of the 2-dayer was to have a really deep slow structure.  It is actually very close to the WSOP circuit Main Event schedule.
I have gotten a lot of positive feedback from people about the 2-day.  I do know that this takes a very dedicated and particular person to pull it off as there are a lot of variables to take into account but I have been running 2-4 table tourneys for 5 years now and roughly about twice/month so have a lot of experience.  I have run some for friends who were unaware as well. 
I will definitely let you guys know how it goes after all is said and done. 
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 29, 2012 at 17:11 »

To answer your original question Smiley:

According to my calculations you should get from 50 players down to 16 by about level 10 (loose)~12 (tight)
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« Reply #8 on: Feb 04, 2012 at 18:16 »

To answer your original question Smiley:

According to my calculations you should get from 50 players down to 16 by about level 10 (loose)~12 (tight)

Wow!  What about with 25 people at one location.  You think a final table before level 16 with 20,000 starting chips?

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« Reply #9 on: Feb 07, 2012 at 00:43 »

To answer your original question Smiley:

According to my calculations you should get from 50 players down to 16 by about level 10 (loose)~12 (tight)

Wow!  What about with 25 people at one location.  You think a final table before level 16 with 20,000 starting chips?



Yeah, should be about the same.

I'm guessing you would like to finish Day 1 at about level 16. Since you're already ultra deepstacked throwing more chips at the players would not make that much of a difference.

You could bring it to about level 12-15 by adding two or three more blind levels (like 50/75, 125/250, and 250/500).
You could change the blind levels to 45 minutes if you want to finish Day 1 after 8-9 hours of play.

I would also allow for a lunch/dinner break if you're playing that long, and you could put the last break of the day after level 1200/2400.
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