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« on: Jun 18, 2011 at 21:10 »

$4-$8 HORSE, we're on Hold'em.

I'm dealt ace of diamonds jack of diamonds. I raise to $8 and get called in one place.

Flop: ace of hearts queen of diamonds ace of spades

I bet $4, the other player raises to $8, I raise to $12 and the other guy caps the betting at $16.
I'm now putting him on a Queen or Ace, likely a weaker Ace. Worst case scenario is that he has AQ.

Turn: queen of spades

If he had AQ he just got counterfeited, and I'm as close to the nuts as I can hope to be.

I open with $8, he raises to $16, I reraise to $24, and he caps at $32.

Now alarm bells start ringing. Could he really have pocket Qs?

River: 2 of clubs

The river doesn't complete any draws, and I'm now weary of the pocket Qs. I check. The other player bets $8, I have to call at this point. It's only $8 more for a pot of over $100. He shows queen of hearts queen of clubs for quads.
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 18, 2011 at 21:18 »

Good check/call IMO. Hard to believe you are getting that much action from a lone Q on the Flop. Most likely another A or QQ and either way you are just building a bigger pot to chop or losing more if he does indeed have Quad Q's.
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 18, 2011 at 21:23 »

Good check/call IMO. Hard to believe you are getting that much action from a lone Q on the Flop. Most likely another A or QQ and either way you are just building a bigger pot to chop or losing more if he does indeed have Quad Q's.

Unless we dead set put him on quads, I'm bet/calling the river.  How dumb do we feel when he checks behind us on the river?  If we think there is a chance that he lost his mind with a dry Q on the flop and turn, then checking here loses money.  We have Aces full on the river.  Most of the time it's a Winner or a chop.  Our hand is worth 2 bets on the river.
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 22, 2011 at 14:20 »

Good check/call IMO. Hard to believe you are getting that much action from a lone Q on the Flop. Most likely another A or QQ and either way you are just building a bigger pot to chop or losing more if he does indeed have Quad Q's.

Unless we dead set put him on quads, I'm bet/calling the river.  How dumb do we feel when he checks behind us on the river?  If we think there is a chance that he lost his mind with a dry Q on the flop and turn, then checking here loses money.  We have Aces full on the river.  Most of the time it's a Winner or a chop.  Our hand is worth 2 bets on the river.


I agree with Stooks on this one. He shows a lot of strength on the turn, but ive seen plenty of fish play the Q this way in a low limit game. I bet and call the raise. Seriously....how many times will he have quads here?
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 22, 2011 at 17:05 »

Once was enough Sad
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 22, 2011 at 18:03 »

Good check/call IMO. Hard to believe you are getting that much action from a lone Q on the Flop. Most likely another A or QQ and either way you are just building a bigger pot to chop or losing more if he does indeed have Quad Q's.

Unless we dead set put him on quads, I'm bet/calling the river.  How dumb do we feel when he checks behind us on the river?  If we think there is a chance that he lost his mind with a dry Q on the flop and turn, then checking here loses money.  We have Aces full on the river.  Most of the time it's a Winner or a chop.  Our hand is worth 2 bets on the river.


I agree with Stooks on this one. He shows a lot of strength on the turn, but ive seen plenty of fish play the Q this way in a low limit game. I bet and call the raise. Seriously....how many times will he have quads here?

I guess it depends on your read of your opponent. I think the vast majority of the time you are chopping the pot in which case there is no need to keep betting since you're just getting your money back. If you really think that villain could be going crazy with two pair on the Flop then go ahead and cap it but based on the action I think a check/call is more EV+ than capping the River.
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 22, 2011 at 22:57 »

Good check/call IMO. Hard to believe you are getting that much action from a lone Q on the Flop. Most likely another A or QQ and either way you are just building a bigger pot to chop or losing more if he does indeed have Quad Q's.

Unless we dead set put him on quads, I'm bet/calling the river.  How dumb do we feel when he checks behind us on the river?  If we think there is a chance that he lost his mind with a dry Q on the flop and turn, then checking here loses money.  We have Aces full on the river.  Most of the time it's a Winner or a chop.  Our hand is worth 2 bets on the river.


I agree with Stooks on this one. He shows a lot of strength on the turn, but ive seen plenty of fish play the Q this way in a low limit game. I bet and call the raise. Seriously....how many times will he have quads here?

I guess it depends on your read of your opponent. I think the vast majority of the time you are chopping the pot in which case there is no need to keep betting since you're just getting your money back. If you really think that villain could be going crazy with two pair on the Flop then go ahead and cap it but based on the action I think a check/call is more EV+ than capping the River.

Bet/Calling is not the same as capping.  The OP said he gave the guy either an Ace or a queen on the flop.  Obviously, we know the results and reads can change.  I would seriously doubt many winning LHE players would check here.  Just an opinion, but I think the amount of times this guy checks behind with a Queen means we must bet.
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 22, 2011 at 23:24 »

Good check/call IMO. Hard to believe you are getting that much action from a lone Q on the Flop. Most likely another A or QQ and either way you are just building a bigger pot to chop or losing more if he does indeed have Quad Q's.

Unless we dead set put him on quads, I'm bet/calling the river.  How dumb do we feel when he checks behind us on the river?  If we think there is a chance that he lost his mind with a dry Q on the flop and turn, then checking here loses money.  We have Aces full on the river.  Most of the time it's a Winner or a chop.  Our hand is worth 2 bets on the river.


I agree with Stooks on this one. He shows a lot of strength on the turn, but ive seen plenty of fish play the Q this way in a low limit game. I bet and call the raise. Seriously....how many times will he have quads here?

I guess it depends on your read of your opponent. I think the vast majority of the time you are chopping the pot in which case there is no need to keep betting since you're just getting your money back. If you really think that villain could be going crazy with two pair on the Flop then go ahead and cap it but based on the action I think a check/call is more EV+ than capping the River.

Bet/Calling is not the same as capping.  The OP said he gave the guy either an Ace or a queen on the flop.  Obviously, we know the results and reads can change.  I would seriously doubt many winning LHE players would check here.  Just an opinion, but I think the amount of times this guy checks behind with a Queen means we must bet.

I did not mean to imply that bet/calling is the same as capping. I'm not sure what I said to give that impression.

For betting on the River to be profitable, you need a worse hand to be calling you. I don't play 4/8 FL so I can't speak from experience but I'm just never seeing someone with just a Queen in that spot ever whenever I play. If you can put someone on just a Queen after that action then go ahead and cap the River and congratulations on having such a fish at your table.
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 23, 2011 at 09:58 »

After the turn I put the guy on either an Ace (in which case we split), or pocket Queens (in which case I lose). There's no way someone caps the betting with the underfull on a double paired board unless he was thinking I was bluffing.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 17, 2011 at 11:50 »

Where is the bad beat?
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 17, 2011 at 19:37 »

Where is the bad beat?

Tis true.  You were behind PF, flop, turn and river.  No BB.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 17, 2011 at 19:52 »

Please move this to the "Played Like a Fiddle" area.
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« Reply #12 on: Nov 18, 2011 at 10:22 »

Sorry, couldn't find the Played like a fiddle area...

Must be one of those easter eggs on HPT
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