bridge sized desijn's

[gmason]

hi has anybody used the bridge sized desijn's? i think they are called cultures, i have only seen one bridge size design, they look really nice, how do they compare to copag and modiano (which i have)

i find the modianos are very nice looking compared to the copags but don't return to their original shape anything like as well as the copags, probably because they're thicker and i consider this more important than looks,(one modiano joker i bent a little bit just to test it now has a permanent crease in it) but the desijns look great, (the center pips look like they would take some getting used to but the font and suit designs are very nice)

[pauld22]

I haven't used them myself but by all accounts they are very nice cards.

[gmason]

yes people seem to like them a lot and they are beautiful, i'm interested in how well they recover from bends/how thick they are and whether they are more like copags (thin and durable) or modiano's (thick but do not recover as well)

[William]

desjgn people.

It's "design" where the "i" is replaced by a "j".

[gmason]

my mistake

still interested though

[William]

Don't have a setup myself, but everybody is bloody enthousiastic about them. I'd say: Give 'em a go!

[gmason]

i know but i don't live in the states so they will be very expensive for me and if they're much thicker/less durable than copags i may not want to invest

and as the culture bridge cars are newer than in the review i would like some input if anybody has them

[Milo]

They are very comparable in quality to the Copags.  I have a set-up of poker sized Desjgns, but I cannot imagine the difference between tthe two manufacturers would be size dependent.  In my opinion, the three best "value" plastics are Copags, Carta Mundis, and Desjgns.  The differences that each offer in terms of feel, recovery, etc. are fairly miniscule, so it all comes down to costs and preference.  Being a junkie, I just bought (and use) them all . . .

[gmason]

They are very comparable in quality to the Copags.  I have a set-up of poker sized Desjgns, but I cannot imagine the difference between tthe two manufacturers would be size dependent.  In my opinion, the three best "value" plastics are Copags, Carta Mundis, and Desjgns.  The differences that each offer in terms of feel, recovery, etc. are fairly miniscule, so it all comes down to costs and preference.  Being a junkie, I just bought (and use) them all . . .

hi milo, i find the recovery of the copags to be significantly better than my modiano's which are otherwise really nice cards to play with, do you have modiano's (mine are golden trophy i think) to compare to the desjgn's?

[Milo]

I have (almost) EVERYTHING.  Well, not quite, but I have most of the major manufacturers in my cabinet.  Modiano's are a stiffer card than either the Copag or the Desjgn, at least in my experience, and especially the Platinum Acetate line they produce.  This may account for the slower recovery you are noticing.  I never check my cards when I finish using them, I simply resort the deck to order, and put them away.  I check them the next day, and have never had a bowing or damage issue with any of the Modiano set-ups that I own.  I have bridge, wide, plastic, Acetates, you name it.  Modianos are my favourite card manufacturer, so I will admit to some bias in how I discuss them, but not in the quality of the product.  I say again, I have had NO quality issues with my Mods.  That being said, I have not had any issues with my Desjgn set-up, or the half dozen or so set-ups of Copags, either.  I have owned a set-up of Copag 1546s longer than any other cards in my collection, and they still get regular play.  The Desjgns do not get as much use, as the non-standard pips have drawn some negative comments from the Philistines who cannot read a board properly.

As I have stated before, I like Modainos better than anything else out there.  But, if you are looking for value, the three lines I mentioned earlier in this thread will more than satisfy the economist in you.

[gmason]

I have (almost) EVERYTHING.  Well, not quite, but I have most of the major manufacturers in my cabinet.  Modiano's are a stiffer card than either the Copag or the Desjgn, at least in my experience, and especially the Platinum Acetate line they produce.  This may account for the slower recovery you are noticing.  I never check my cards when I finish using them, I simply resort the deck to order, and put them away.  I check them the next day, and have never had a bowing or damage issue with any of the Modiano set-ups that I own.  I have bridge, wide, plastic, Acetates, you name it.  Modianos are my favourite card manufacturer, so I will admit to some bias in how I discuss them, but not in the quality of the product.  I say again, I have had NO quality issues with my Mods.  That being said, I have not had any issues with my Desjgn set-up, or the half dozen or so set-ups of Copags, either.  I have owned a set-up of Copag 1546s longer than any other cards in my collection, and they still get regular play.  The Desjgns do not get as much use, as the non-standard pips have drawn some negative comments from the Philistines who cannot read a board properly.

As I have stated before, I like Modainos better than anything else out there.  But, if you are looking for value, the three lines I mentioned earlier in this thread will more than satisfy the economist in you.

i really like my modiano's too, better colours and designs (the only thing i don't like that much about the modianos are the fat pips but the font on the copags is terrible so they are still more pleasing, i also don't like the cars on the back of my golden trophy but that is purely personal taste, they are very well produced) and maybe better made than my copags but i did a little damage test of my own to test recovery on a joker from each (bent a corner and bent in the middle) nothing serious but it was surprising how much the thicker modiano didn't recover like the copag did, even weeks later.

i know i probably won't damage the cards myself in play but others always do

in your experience are the desjn's stiffer than the copags?

i have also been considering some copag 1546, good to hear yours have lasted you well

thanks

[Milo]

I don't remember a significant difference, but let me play around and get back to you on this one . . .

As stated, Copags are a solid card for the $$$

[gmason]

I don't remember a significant difference, but let me play around and get back to you on this one . . .

As stated, Copags are a solid card for the $$$

hey thanks milo

are all copags the same whatever the back design?

i have always thought that kems were the prettiest cards but i keep hearing that they bow and the copags don't which always makes me lean towards the cheaper copags, but the kems, especially the arrows are the prettiest cards i can recall seeing. the pre-post uspc thing confuses me as well, a lot of people say old kems were much better but the review on here say's the new ones are more durable: confusing but still beautiful and expensive, especially in the uk where i am

thank you sir

[Milo]

Old Kems >>> USPC Kems

I think that Copag uses one formula for all their lines, but am not sure anymore.  I was talking to one of their reps for an hour or two at the Expo a couple years ago, and tat that time they were planning on an Acetate card, but I have heard no more on that subject.  Too bad, too.


Been shuffling and fooling about for about 15 minutes now.  Not noticing a significant difference between the Copags and the Desjgn, in terms of thickness.

[gmason]

i definitely won't get new kems then, what is it that is inferior about them?

do you mean it would be good if copag did make acetate cards?

[Milo]

I have found that non-USPC Kems are superior in terms of feel and durability.  Sadly, they are much more expensive than similar alternatives, like the Modiano Acetates, or Dal Negro Torcellos.  But, for a collector, they are a nice "get".

As for the Copag Acetate project, it would have been nice to see what they came up with, and what the price point would have been . . . that's all.

[gmason]

thanks milo

[Junior]

I don't remember a significant difference, but let me play around and get back to you on this one . . .

As stated, Copags are a solid card for the $$$

hey thanks milo

are all copags the same whatever the back design?

i have always thought that kems were the prettiest cards but i keep hearing that they bow and the copags don't which always makes me lean towards the cheaper copags,
thank you sir

Don't know who told you Copag's don't bow but that is not true at all.  I have a number of decks from Copag setups that are bowed.  I also have a few of those decks from Copag where the ink from the backs of the cards has bled into the faces of the cards on top of them while they are stored!  And this is in a cool dry place too.  I have not sent any of these back yet to see if they'll replace them but when I get a chance I can take some pics for you to show you.  I have used desjgn cards also and I liked them very much. 

I have never personally used a set of KEM's so can't comment on their durability but I will be buying some before season 6 starts in October and will be using them for the season to see how well they do.  We play 14 tournaments so they'll get a fairly good work out.

[gmason]

I don't remember a significant difference, but let me play around and get back to you on this one . . .

As stated, Copags are a solid card for the $$$

hey thanks milo

are all copags the same whatever the back design?

i have always thought that kems were the prettiest cards but i keep hearing that they bow and the copags don't which always makes me lean towards the cheaper copags,
thank you sir

Don't know who told you Copag's don't bow but that is not true at all.  I have a number of decks from Copag setups that are bowed.  I also have a few of those decks from Copag where the ink from the backs of the cards has bled into the faces of the cards on top of them while they are stored!  And this is in a cool dry place too.  I have not sent any of these back yet to see if they'll replace them but when I get a chance I can take some pics for you to show you.  I have used desjgn cards also and I liked them very much.  

I have never personally used a set of KEM's so can't comment on their durability but I will be buying some before season 6 starts in October and will be using them for the season to see how well they do.  We play 14 tournaments so they'll get a fairly good work out.

i just read it a bunch of times that kems bow and copags don't, it's not from experience. i just got my 2nd pack of copags and have just made a thread about them here:http://forums.homepokertourney.com/index.php/topic,26459.0.html

when you used desjgn cards how do they compare to copags with regards to thickness? i really like the thinness of copags and when i go back to my modianos for example i really like the nicer colors and graphics but they feel way too thick, still very, very nice to use, but just very thick. how are  the desjgn's for you?

[Milo]

Copags and Desijns are very similar.

[Junior]

I found them similar also but I really like the unique styles from Desjgn.  The different backs, faces etc.  I wish I had more decks of them but have not purchased anymore and the decks I had, I now cannot find as they've either been misplaced by me or given away!  Can't remember! lol

[Milo]

That is definitely the attraction for me re:  Desjgns.  The unique pip layouts (4 vertical, like the 3's) as well as the others are very refreshing.  The clour varieties matter little to me, as stated previously, but I can see the appeal for something "out there".

I purchased an uncut sheet of Desjns EXACTLY because of there uniqueness.  Next to my Brenders prints, it is my favourite piece of art.

[gmason]

I purchased an uncut sheet of Desjns EXACTLY because of there uniqueness.  Next to my Brenders prints, it is my favourite piece of art.

that's dedication to playing cards right there

i'm sold on trying the bridge desjgn cultures, i just wish i could get them easily and for a reasonable price in the uk

[Wedge Rock]

I've got a few used decks if you are that interested in getting your hands on more.

[Milo]

I purchased an uncut sheet of Desjns EXACTLY because of there uniqueness.  Next to my Brenders prints, it is my favourite piece of art.

That's some psychological problem, right there . . . meh, I've moved onto chips.

[Junior]

I've got a few used decks if you are that interested in getting your hands on more.

are they poker size or bridge Wedgie?

[gmason]

I've got a few used decks if you are that interested in getting your hands on more.

hi i tried to pm you about your used decks but not sure if the message sent

[Wedge Rock]

Bridge sized.

Message received and replied.

[gmason]

Bridge sized.

Message received and replied.

thanks wedge rock, i replied back too

on a related note, is there a way to see your sent messages on this forum?