String-Bet?

[Poker Jack]

Hi there,

how would you rule in this situation:

Player takes 11 chips (1x5K, 10x1K) from his stack,
moves forward,
cuts the stack (so that the 5K lays next to the 1Ks-Stack)
and that's it.

Some guy says: that's a string-bet!
Ruling?

(P.S. It was a tourney, house rules state you do not have to announce a raise, single-chip rule applies)

Next situation:

Player takes a couple of chips,
moves forward
cuts some of them
goes back with some chips left in his hand,
that's it.

Ruling?

[Jambine]

not really enough information here.

did the 1st guy take chips back, or leave them in?
is there a forward motion rule?

[holdemholmes]

From the information given, it sounds like the first bet is not a string bet and is perfectly legal. In the second example, are you saying that the player but some chips out (20 for example sake) and took 10 back? If so, that is not a string bet, but I do believe all of the chips should stay in.

[Martini]

I don't understand your first scenario. He took 1x5K and 10x1K chips then moved them forward so he wagered 15K. Doesn't matter how they are stacked.

Second scenario, depends on house rules. Some places say all chips moved over "the betting line" have to stay in the middle. But unless there is a rule stating that then he's OK with not leaving the full amount out there. As long as the vast majority of the chips over the line are left out there I don't have a problem with it (as in carrying out 17 chips and cutting off three stacks of five then taking two back). If someone is trying to get cute (like carrying out 20 and dropping one off the bottom and bringing 19 back) then I'm going to tell them to bring out an amount closer to the number of chips that are going to be left in the middle.

[William]

I don't see anything wrong with the first situation. Definitely can't see that being taken as a string bet.

Second situation depends on your house rules and the player's experience and past actions.
Common house rules:
- In case of a betting line: Chips caried over a betting line are considered to be the bet.
- Forward motion: Chips moved forward are considered to to be the bet.

If you don't have any house rules then only chips that are moved forward and released are considered to be the bet. However, if this player has a habit of trying to induce action or gain information that way he gets a warning or a penalty.

[Poker Jack]

not really enough information here.

did the 1st guy take chips back, or leave them in?
is there a forward motion rule?

He did not take chips back for he had counted them out in front of him before moving forward. I suppose he split the 5K just to make it easier to see how much it was.

There is no forward motion rule specifically mentioned in the house rules, nor seemed the dealer to know about it. There was a betting line, although there was no rule covering the use/existence of the betting line in the house rules.

[Poker Jack]

I don't understand your first scenario. He took 1x5K and 10x1K chips then moved them forward so he wagered 15K. Doesn't matter how they are stacked.

The issue was that he split the 5K chip and then placed the 1K-chips next to it (he did NOT go back to his stack to gather the 1Ks - it was all done it one forward motion). The opponent claimed that it was a string-bet since the 5K hit the felt first and that only 5K should stand.

[Buzzerbeater]

I don't understand your first scenario. He took 1x5K and 10x1K chips then moved them forward so he wagered 15K. Doesn't matter how they are stacked.

The issue was that he split the 5K chip and then placed the 1K-chips next to it (he did NOT go back to his stack to gather the 1Ks - it was all done it one forward motion). The opponent claimed that it was a string-bet since the 5K hit the felt first and that only 5K should stand.

The opponent is an idiot.

[austin5string]

I don't understand your first scenario. He took 1x5K and 10x1K chips then moved them forward so he wagered 15K. Doesn't matter how they are stacked.

The issue was that he split the 5K chip and then placed the 1K-chips next to it (he did NOT go back to his stack to gather the 1Ks - it was all done it one forward motion). The opponent claimed that it was a string-bet since the 5K hit the felt first and that only 5K should stand.

The opponent is an idiot.

Hey, that's what I was gonna say.. heh

[Buzzerbeater]

I don't understand your first scenario. He took 1x5K and 10x1K chips then moved them forward so he wagered 15K. Doesn't matter how they are stacked.

The issue was that he split the 5K chip and then placed the 1K-chips next to it (he did NOT go back to his stack to gather the 1Ks - it was all done it one forward motion). The opponent claimed that it was a string-bet since the 5K hit the felt first and that only 5K should stand.

The opponent is an idiot.

Hey, that's what I was gonna say.. heh

Let's see what else he is!

The opponent is a moron.

[Dr. Neau]

Hi there,

how would you rule in this situation:

Player takes 11 chips (1x5K, 10x1K) from his stack,
moves forward,
cuts the stack (so that the 5K lays next to the 1Ks-Stack)
and that's it.

Some guy says: that's a string-bet!
Ruling?

Ruling:  A this point, you award a T100 bonus to anyone who can hit him square in the forehead with a rulebook before he finishes his sentence.

[Junior]

The opponent is an idiot.

"LIKE"  lmao

[nutN2Lewz]

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Second scenario, depends on house rules. Some places say all chips moved over "the betting line" have to stay in the middle. But unless there is a rule stating that then he's OK with not leaving the full amount out there. As long as the vast majority of the chips over the line are left out there I don't have a problem with it (as in carrying out 17 chips and cutting off three stacks of five then taking two back). If someone is trying to get cute (like carrying out 20 and dropping one off the bottom and bringing 19 back) then I'm going to tell them to bring out an amount closer to the number of chips that are going to be left in the middle.

Ya ... what he said. it is the act of 'releasing' chips into the pot that counts. You can move a bunch of chips forward, count out a couple stacks and then take some chips back, as long as it is done in one motion. But like Matini said, don't let players abuse this by moving forward 100,000 in chips and then making a 1,000 bet. It has to be reasonable.

Good luck, nutn