Cash game straddle

[Junior]

Hey folks, I've got a question about open raises with maximum live straddles in play.  My home game is a .25/.50 game with a maximum 3 live straddles at $1.00, $2.00, $4.00.  I've always seen the betting still open when this happens but have had players claim that when the live straddles are maxed out, all players lose the right to raise after that!?!?!?  My game is a No limit cash game and disagreed with this but was told that the casino just south of us uses this same ruling.  Does anyone else here rule the same in their cash games or is no limit just like I thought, NO LIMIT?  I'm planning on adding another house rule to say that betting is open no matter how many live straddles are in play at the time!  I would just like to know if anyone else here had also seen this rule applied or in fact used it themselves.  Thanks

[luckystraights]

No idea tbh, but sounds like people are mixing nl and limit to me

[William]

The idea of a straddle is to raise the stakes. Would seem foolish to then prohibit further betting.

[Junior]

The idea of a straddle is to raise the stakes. Would seem foolish to then prohibit further betting.

That's exactly what I thought which is why I'm puzzled that he says the local casino cuts off raises when this is done on a no limit table!?!?!  I think he's confused and plan to call the casino and find out exactly if this is the case or not.  I'm not changing mine though, and it will be open for raising any time.

[Martini]

By definition a "live" straddle gets option to act when action gets to that player. If a player just raises blind then they don't get option.

[72]

raising is definitely allowed. it's no limit, and everyone at the table has an option to raise if they want to in turn.

even if this was fixed limit, there's still raises allowed: say there was 2 live straddles in a fixed limit game, and the game only allowed 3 raises. that's still 3 raises above the straddles.

[Wedge Rock]

I think luckystraights has it...  whoever is feeding you that information probably played limit at the casino with a three raise max.  In limit, it makes perfect sense.

In no limit, not so much.

[Buzzerbeater]

By definition a "live" straddle gets option to act when action gets to that player. If a player just raises blind then they don't get option.

^^^^^This.

Your friends are confusing a dark raise with a straddle.

[KPrather]

In WA state, straddles count as raises. I'm not sure if this is the case in other states.

In NL, you're allowed unlimited raises obviously, so go nuts.

In fixed limit or spread limit, there's generally a max of a bet and 3 raises (at least in WA state. Some places might allow 4 raises).

SB - BB - Straddle 1 (1st raise) - Straddle 2 (2nd raise) - Straddle 3 (3rd raise)

This third raise has capped the action. Players may only call or fold at this point.

I once saw a player behind the 3rd straddler holding pocket Kings, and he could not raise, so he was stuck playing them 6-handed.

I'd be willing to bet Shmegma's friend is familiar with spread limit, which in states like WA is as close as you can get to a NL cash game.

[72]

In WA state, straddles count as raises. I'm not sure if this is the case in other states.

In NL, you're allowed unlimited raises obviously, so go nuts.

In fixed limit or spread limit, there's generally a max of a bet and 3 raises (at least in WA state. Some places might allow 4 raises).

SB - BB - Straddle 1 (1st raise) - Straddle 2 (2nd raise) - Straddle 3 (3rd raise)

This third raise has capped the action. Players may only call or fold at this point.

I once saw a player behind the 3rd straddler holding pocket Kings, and he could not raise, so he was stuck playing them 6-handed.

I'd be willing to bet Shmegma's friend is familiar with spread limit, which in states like WA is as close as you can get to a NL cash game.

In Manitoba casinos, straddles in FL games don't count as raises so the cap is even higher preflop with straddles. it's good for the game, like playing with a Kill.

[Buzzerbeater]

Why the hell would I ever want to straddle if I couldn't raise when it got back to me? 

[Junior]

Why the hell would I ever want to straddle if I couldn't raise when it got back to me? 

That's what I said.  The big argument came up when we maxed the straddles one round, I was the $2 straddle and the player to my left made the $4 straddle.  The player UTG went to raise to $12 and that's when this other player said that because the straddles were maxed out , nobody was allowed to now raise and could only call, claiming that the casino he plays at uses this same ruling on no limit cash tables.  We all said he was off his rocker but he was positive this was the case. 

Like I said, it' not going to be the case in our games. If I want to raise I'm going to raise.  You want to straddle $4 then you take the chance of throwing away said $4 when your crappy cards aren't worth calling $20 more! lol

[Motobaka]

We have something called dead straddle what it does is that when a 3rd straddle is made the next person can make a dead straddle, it is the same amount as a 4th straddle but people after him can either fold, call or send all in.

This is a variance someone introduced to our home games, but it’s quite popular, the rule for it to be in effect is that everyone at the table should be in agreement before it happens.