Another moving players thread

[Squiggly]

This one always confuses me and I don't know why. Here's the scenario.

Tournament starts with 17 players, so one table of 8 and one table of 9. The first player to get knocked out happens to be the big blind on the table of 8. What is the correct method of moving a player in this instance?

My understanding is that we cannot move a player into the small blind position on the next hand. But since the table started with 8 players, there are no empty seats other than the small blind.

[holdemholmes]

If I'm understanding correctly, the player knocked out WAS the big blind on the hand he was knocked out? If so, move a player to that seat, and no, they cannot come in on their SB. The solution is to move them there and sit out the hand. When the button passes him after the next hand he can be dealt in.

[Martini]

How about going to the heavy table and taking the player who would be the person to next pay the SB and move them to the empty seat on the light table and have them post the SB. Over on the heavy table have a dead SB.

[William]

If I'm understanding correctly, the player knocked out WAS the big blind on the hand he was knocked out? If so, move a player to that seat, and no, they cannot come in on their SB. The solution is to move them there and sit out the hand. When the button passes him after the next hand he can be dealt in.

^^^ This

[Wedge Rock]

How about going to the heavy table and taking the player who would be the person to next pay the SB and move them to the empty seat on the light table and have them post the SB. Over on the heavy table have a dead SB.

That's how we do it.

[Jaxen]

How about going to the heavy table and taking the player who would be the person to next pay the SB and move them to the empty seat on the light table and have them post the SB. Over on the heavy table have a dead SB.

That's how we do it.

+1

[pathand]

A wise man once said to always move the next big blind from the heavy table to the short table. That is my current procedure. To prevent this particular situation, we would assign 9 seats to both tables. Seating is random so there is an empty seat (spot) at the short table. Now there are two empty seats at the short table. The moved player will occupy the next open seat at the short table closest to the current BB. The hand will be played with a dead SB.

[Martini]

@pathand
I know that not all games can accommodate tables with extra seats so your method wouldn't always be applicable. I also like how moving the same player from the heavy table does not allow someone to go more than an orbit without paying blinds which could happen if the player who is about to be big blind happens to fill the seat vacated by someone right behind but button.

[Muley05]

At most of my tourneys, all players are in the same room and we never have more than 3 tables (and usually only two).  When moving players, I move a player from the heavy table that is in the same seat relative to the blinds as the player that busted out (including the button).

So if the player that busted out was going to be the dealer the next hand, the player who is going to be dealer the next hand at the heavy table will be moved and will be the dealer at the light table.  And the same goes for any other seat. 

No one skips their blinds.  No one has to sit out a hand at their new table.

[pathand]

@pathand
I know that not all games can accommodate tables with extra seats so your method wouldn't always be applicable.

Think of it in terms of a "spot", not a physical seat. 9 spots are assigned to an 8 player table. Upon random seating, the 8 player table has seat (spot 7) unassigned. There are only 8 chairs. In my scenario, the moved player will take the spot between player 6 & player 8. Seat (spot) 2 is now vacant and the hand is dealt with no small blind and normal play resumes. I hope that makes sense. 

[Squiggly]

At most of my tourneys, all players are in the same room and we never have more than 3 tables (and usually only two).  When moving players, I move a player from the heavy table that is in the same seat relative to the blinds as the player that busted out (including the button).

So if the player that busted out was going to be the dealer the next hand, the player who is going to be dealer the next hand at the heavy table will be moved and will be the dealer at the light table.  And the same goes for any other seat. 

No one skips their blinds.  No one has to sit out a hand at their new table.

This makes perfect sense, and is the method I have been using for a number of years. Last league tournament, however, I was questioned by a new player who has a lot of experience in casino tournaments (has played at the WSOP, has cashed at other major tournaments), who was of the understanding that you could not move a player into a big blind, small blind, or dealer position. This is where the confusion comes from.

[Squiggly]

@pathand
I know that not all games can accommodate tables with extra seats so your method wouldn't always be applicable.

Think of it in terms of a "spot", not a physical seat. 9 spots are assigned to an 8 player table. Upon random seating, the 8 player table has seat (spot 7) unassigned. There are only 8 chairs. In my scenario, the moved player will take the spot between player 6 & player 8. Seat (spot) 2 is now vacant and the hand is dealt with no small blind and normal play resumes. I hope that makes sense. 

I do this as well when we have the computer assign initial seats. It is more difficult to do if one is drawing cards for seats though.

[pathand]

I do this as well when we have the computer assign initial seats. It is more difficult to do if one is drawing cards for seats though.

Just put out 18 cards and the one left becomes the "spot" at the short table.

[Muley05]

At most of my tourneys, all players are in the same room and we never have more than 3 tables (and usually only two).  When moving players, I move a player from the heavy table that is in the same seat relative to the blinds as the player that busted out (including the button).

So if the player that busted out was going to be the dealer the next hand, the player who is going to be dealer the next hand at the heavy table will be moved and will be the dealer at the light table.  And the same goes for any other seat. 

No one skips their blinds.  No one has to sit out a hand at their new table.

This makes perfect sense, and is the method I have been using for a number of years. Last league tournament, however, I was questioned by a new player who has a lot of experience in casino tournaments (has played at the WSOP, has cashed at other major tournaments), who was of the understanding that you could not move a player into a big blind, small blind, or dealer position. This is where the confusion comes from.

For a bigger tourney, it wouldn't really be feasible to move players relative to the blinds.  That is why I put the caveat in my answer that all tables were in the same room and there were only 2-3 tables.

If I had 4 or more tables in a tourney or if all tourney tables were not in the same room, I would have to change the way I currently move players (likely to the next BB at the heavy table moves to the first open seat left of the BB at the light table, but even then I am not sure what to do if the open seat is the SB).

[Martini]

At most of my tourneys, all players are in the same room and we never have more than 3 tables (and usually only two).  When moving players, I move a player from the heavy table that is in the same seat relative to the blinds as the player that busted out (including the button).

So if the player that busted out was going to be the dealer the next hand, the player who is going to be dealer the next hand at the heavy table will be moved and will be the dealer at the light table.  And the same goes for any other seat. 

No one skips their blinds.  No one has to sit out a hand at their new table.

This makes perfect sense, and is the method I have been using for a number of years. Last league tournament, however, I was questioned by a new player who has a lot of experience in casino tournaments (has played at the WSOP, has cashed at other major tournaments), who was of the understanding that you could not move a player into a big blind, small blind, or dealer position. This is where the confusion comes from.

I guess my thoughts are based on single room small field MTTs like 2-4 tables. I think that for large field tourneys using the method of moving the BB into the next empty spot is a lot lower maintenance. The other thing that comes up in large field tourneys is that complete tables break which wouldn't happen in small field MTTs so maybe that's where the idea of not ever moving into a blind or button comes from.

[72]

At most of my tourneys, all players are in the same room and we never have more than 3 tables (and usually only two).  When moving players, I move a player from the heavy table that is in the same seat relative to the blinds as the player that busted out (including the button).

So if the player that busted out was going to be the dealer the next hand, the player who is going to be dealer the next hand at the heavy table will be moved and will be the dealer at the light table.  And the same goes for any other seat. 

No one skips their blinds.  No one has to sit out a hand at their new table.

This makes perfect sense, and is the method I have been using for a number of years. Last league tournament, however, I was questioned by a new player who has a lot of experience in casino tournaments (has played at the WSOP, has cashed at other major tournaments), who was of the understanding that you could not move a player into a big blind, small blind, or dealer position. This is where the confusion comes from.

For a bigger tourney, it wouldn't really be feasible to move players relative to the blinds.  That is why I put the caveat in my answer that all tables were in the same room and there were only 2-3 tables.

If I had 4 or more tables in a tourney or if all tourney tables were not in the same room, I would have to change the way I currently move players (likely to the next BB at the heavy table moves to the first open seat left of the BB at the light table, but even then I am not sure what to do if the open seat is the SB).

we move players relative to the blinds every week at the 10 table casino tourneys.