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Author Topic: Who is What after a player is busted?  (Read 625 times)
arathemis
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« on: Feb 21, 2011 at 10:45 »

Lets say that we have a table of 5 people: player A, B, C, D and E in this order.

Let`s say that player B is the dealer, C is SB and D is the BB.

In the following situations Who will the Dealer, SB and BB benext turn?

a. In the current turn player B (the dealer) is busted out
b. In the current turn player C (the SB) is busted out
c. In the current turn player D (the BB) is busted out
d. In the current turn player E (player after BB - i think it`s called UTG ??) is busted out

I had one of the situations above last night in a tournament game, and there were different oppinions about it so I would like to have it right in all situations that might occur. Thanks.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 21, 2011 at 10:53 »

Depends if you use the dead button rule or not.  With the dead button rule, there is always a BB (but not always a SB or even a dealer).  The button doesn't move until the BB and SB are in their proper place.

a. If the dealer (B) busts, no sweat.  C is the dealer next hand (D the SB and E the BB).  Play continues as normal.
b. If the SB (C) busts, the button moves to his empty chair.  B deals again (only because he is the first person behind the button, and he deals to D first as the SB, and then E as the BB.
c. If the BB busts, you have no small blind for the next hand.  C will be the dealer and E will be the BB.  On the second hand after D busts, the dealer button moves to D (a dead seat), and just like scenario "b" above, C will deal again (by virtue of being the first person behind the button); he will deal to E as the SB first, then A as the BB.  On the third hand after D busts, the button will be back in the right place and it'll move to E as the dealer with A and B being SB and BB respectively.
d. If E busts, its still not a problem.  The next hand will have C as the dealer, D as the SB and A as the BB.  Just ignore the empty seat in E.

The key with the dead button rule is that you always have a BB and no one gets to skip their SB.  The button will die momentarily to let the blinds catch up so everyone hits their blinds.

In my house rules, I specifically spell out these scenarios so there is no question as to what happens when any of the key players bust out.
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 21, 2011 at 11:47 »

You can also refer to this page: http://www.homepokertourney.com/button.htm
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« Reply #3 on: Feb 21, 2011 at 11:54 »

Wedge covered it well.

I also use the dead button rule.  The key is that no one gets to skip either their SB or BB, and that there can never be more than two blinds on the table.  There can be a BB only, but never a SB only.

Get the blinds right first, then have whoever is behind the SB deal the cards and act as the button.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 21, 2011 at 16:47 »

A = CO (Cut off)
B = DLR (Dealer)
C = SB (Small blind)
D = BB (Big blind)
E = UTG (Under the gun)

Situation A: DLR busts out.
Next hand:
A = UTG
eliminated
C = DLR
D = SB
E = BB
So nothing out of the ordinary there.

Situation B: SB busts out.
Next hand:
A = UTG
B = CO
eliminated = DLR
D = SB
E = BB
The Dealerbutton moves to the now empty seat. SB and BB are posted as normal.

Situation C: BB busts out.
Next hand:
A = UTG
B = CO
C = DLR
eliminated
E = BB
The button moves as normal. E hasn't posted a BB yet, so he has to do that now. There is no SB.

Situation D: UTG busts out.
Next hand:
A = BB
B = UTG
C = DLR
D = SB
eliminated
The Big Blind moves to the next player. If that player is eliminated, it is moves to the player after that.

It is nice to see what happens when both the SB and the BB bust out.
Next hand:
A = UTG
B = CO
eliminated = DLR
eliminated
E = BB
The button moves to an empty seat, and there is no SB.

The hand after that:
A = BB
B = UTG
eliminated
eliminated = DLR
E = SB
The Button moves to the next empty seat, and now both blinds are posted again.
From here on everything continues as normal.

The real confusion happens when you get down to 2 players.
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 21, 2011 at 16:59 »

Going down to two players:

Basic rule of thumb: No player should post the BB on consecutive hands and the SB gets the DLR button.

A = DLR
B = SB
C = BB

Situation A: DLR busts out.
Next hand:
eliminated
B = BB
C = SB/DLR
C just posted the BB, and must not post twice in a row. B becomes the BB since A has been eliminated, and C posts the SB and gets the button.

Situation B: SB busts out.
Next hand:
A = BB
eliminated
C = SB/DLR
A is the next player to post the BB, so nothing strange there. C just posted the BB, so should now post the SB, and with that also gets the button. In this case you do not move the button to the empty seat. (If you did C would get the button on the hand after that, and would be posting the SB again. A would then post the BB on consecutive hands.)

Situation C: BB busts out.
A = BB
B = SB/DLR
eliminated
Here the BB simply moves on to player A, who hasn't posted the BB the longest. B gets the DLR button and posts the SB, even though he also posted the SB the hand before. Player B does not get to skip the SB for one hand because you want action heads up.
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arathemis
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 22, 2011 at 02:31 »

Thanks a lot to all of you that posted. It`s pretty clear now...for me at least Cheesy.
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 22, 2011 at 08:24 »

Excelent thanks for the info
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Anticipant
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2011 at 07:22 »

Yeah, really interesting and necessary information. Thanks.
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