Two bets are better than one

[joonka]

Two players are heads up (cash game).

The turn card is dealt and Player A makes a bet.  While Player B is considering what to do, Player A announces to B that he's going all in once the river card is dealt.  He is fully aware that B has not acted yet on the turn card bet before him. 

Q:  If B calls the turn bet, is A bound to go all in on the river?

[Martini]

Two players are heads up (cash game).

The turn card is dealt and Player A makes a bet.  While Player B is considering what to do, Player A announces to B that he's going all in once the river card is dealt.  He is fully aware that B has not acted yet on the turn card bet before him. 

Q:  If B calls the turn bet, is A bound to go all in on the river?

Nope. It's not his turn to bet so his verbal is not binding.

If B calls then A can announce he is shoving blind on the River though and that is binding.

[William]

I would say that statement is binding unless the action changes to Player A.

If Player B calls Player A must go all-in after the river. If Player B raises, Player A can reconsider his shove.

[FLUX_13]

If  B calls the round of betting is over.  Player A would not be obligated to shove all-in for next round. I would put it in the class of poor etiquette. At least give a warning and say this is closer to "angle shooting" by trying to get a read on B.

[Martini]

I would say that statement is binding unless the action changes to Player A.

If Player B calls Player A must go all-in after the river. If Player B raises, Player A can reconsider his shove.

Hmmm...as in verbal out of turn being binding despite being on another street? Interesting. This differs from other similar scenarios since villain does not put conditions on it like "If you call, I'm going to shove on the river" and instead states that he's going all in. I suppose that's in the spirit of the acting out of turn rule but I hadn't seen it apply across streets before.

[William]

I think it's on par with checking in the dark. That's considered binding as well.

[joonka]

FWIW, we ruled it would be a binding bet (assuming the turn bet was called).

While we didn't know if the rules specifically covered bets made out of turn on future streets, we figured it would be bad for the game to allow it to happen without consequences.

[Martini]

I think it's on par with checking in the dark. That's considered binding as well.

The difference being that checking in the dark is typically done by first to act and is not being done out of turn.

[Junior]

I think it's on par with checking in the dark. That's considered binding as well.

The difference being that checking in the dark is typically done by first to act and is not being done out of turn.

exactly.  I wouldn't call it binding at all either but would also take Flux's recommendation of a warning from saying stuff like that before player B has acted.  It could be seen as angle shooting for a read.  One thing I hate, especially in our tournament games is players talking like that, or about their hands.  I'll be a little more forgiving if it's in the cash game but not in tourneys.

[bigstu]

Regardless of the ruling...

CALL THE FLOOR!!!!!!!!

Let them make a ruling then bet accordingly!

[Wedge Rock]

Two players are heads up (cash game).

The turn card is dealt and Player A makes a bet.  While Player B is considering what to do, Player A announces to B that he's going all in once the river card is dealt.  He is fully aware that B has not acted yet on the turn card bet before him. 

Q:  If B calls the turn bet, is A bound to go all in on the river?

Nope. It's not his turn to bet so his verbal is not binding.

If B calls then A can announce he is shoving blind on the River though and that is binding.

I agree with your answer (that its not binding) but not you're reasoning.

I don't think it matters that it is not his turn to act.  You can act out of turn and as long as the action has not changed to you, your verbal declaration binds you.

I don't think A is bound to shove in a subsequent betting round, even if B flat calls.  It's a new betting round, not acting out of turn on the same betting round without the action to Player A changing.

It was probably more a matter of Player A having bet-remorse (wishing he would have bet more) than an angle shoot, but I agree that a warning is probably in order.