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« on: Jan 23, 2011 at 19:18 »

I missed my regular home game yesterday, but one of my friends who played called and presented this scenario to me:

Oh and I should point out for the sake of argument that none of these guys really play a lot of poker....


River card is an Ad. 

Player A has a flush and value bets the pot

Player B made broadway and shoves all in

Player C turns to Player A and asks "Are you going to call this?"  Player A responds "Yes";  Player C folds two pair

Player A calls and obviously wins.  Player B (the guy who called me for the ruling) considers Player C's questioning cheating since he would have gained money through Player C because Player A was easily covered by Player B.


At first I considered this fishing for information, but then I remembered in Harrington's book about how it is illegal for 2 players to verbally agree to check down a hand that can eliminate another player in a tournament. 


So what's the ruling?   And yes Player A is a moron for answering..............
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 23, 2011 at 19:51 »

It can certainly fall under  "Making statements or taking action that could unfairly influence the course of play, whether or not the offender is involved in the pot."

http://www.homepokertourney.com/roberts-rules-of-poker.htm#POKER_ETIQUETTE

Additionally, even with house rules allowing table talk, it wouldn't surprise me that it is only allowed in heads up situations. That's how our group plays.

[Edit to add: As for cheating, I guess you could interpret it that way but since it is wrong for him to be doing it in the first place it would only matter if you would penalize it differently.]
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 23, 2011 at 20:33 »

The ruling is A and C get a penalty.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 23, 2011 at 20:35 »

The ruling is A and C get a penalty.

I should have clarified this is a cash game......


What's the penalty in a cash game?
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 23, 2011 at 20:59 »

The ruling is A and C get a penalty.

I should have clarified this is a cash game......


What's the penalty in a cash game?

Personally I prefer forfeiture of the pot if you're going to penalize. Sitting out orbits is a toothless penalty in a cash game.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 23, 2011 at 21:06 »

The ruling is A and C get a penalty.

I should have clarified this is a cash game......


What's the penalty in a cash game?

Personally I prefer forfeiture of the pot if you're going to penalize. Sitting out orbits is a toothless penalty in a cash game.
I agree.....that's the only way the penalty will have any kind of affect on either of the involved parties.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 24, 2011 at 09:20 »

The ruling is A and C get a penalty.

I should have clarified this is a cash game......


What's the penalty in a cash game?

No penalty in a cash game
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 24, 2011 at 10:35 »

Tie them into a chair, whip w/ a wet noodle and make them listen to Barry Mannilow for 20 min.
WE had something similar a couple monthes back. Late in a tourny, I'm in a hand w/ drunk girl 1 ( who thinks she's a pro) and her drunk boyfriend ( can't spell poker). They are sitting next to each other. I bet out on flop, she raises, boyfriend fold and I call. Turn comes out...... she's asks boyfriend what he folded..(I think she forgot she was in the hand) He tells he A J os... Shocked. I'm pissed... said You Cant tell her that ya dumbass...I wound up winning but now I really watch these two.. Next time thay do that they got the Hangover treatment......Pull a tooth Grin
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