$2 NLHE MTT-AK line check

[NotFadeAway]

I was curious for thoughts about my line here, namely the c-bet size and the turn shove.  Any thoughts are appreciated.
Also, it's a $2 1 rebuy, 1 add on tourney, which accounts for the bigger stack sizes.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.2 Tournament, 300/600 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t60024)
UTG+1 (t5368)
Hero (MP1) (t25407)
MP2 (t16358)
MP3 (t27287)
CO (t56509)
Button (t49550)
SB (t49544)
BB (t25233)

Hero's M: 28.23

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A, K
2 folds, Hero bets t1600, 2 folds, CO calls t1600, 1 fold, SB calls t1300, 1 fold

Flop: (t5400) 3, 4, 5 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t3000, 1 fold, SB calls t3000

Turn: (t11400) 4 (2 players)
SB bets t7800, Hero raises to t20737 (All-In)

[Martini]

Not the line I would have taken, not that that means anything.

Raise pre from 600 to 1600 with AK. I like the raise though I could see a raise to 2000 here as well.

Flop cbet. I don't care for. On such a coordinated Flop that totally missed I personally would just take a free card there or if I cbet I'd make it closer to a half PSB instead.

Turn play is very much not how I would have played it. the previously dormant SB now leads into you after an obvious draw gets there. Then you shove all in with a bet that is a classic "only getting called by a hand that beats you" which wouldn't be that hard to do since 93os is ahead of you. Unless you are sure that you are going to catch your GSSFD or the Nut Flush or the sucker end of a Straight (none of which are guaranteed to with) the raise isn't for value. And since the SB is leading out there I think the odds of him folding to your semi are pretty low in a $2 tourney. So I don't know what the shove accomplishes.

Like I said, not the line I would have taken. Stylistic differences maybe but the Turn action seems EV- in general to me.

[holdemholmes]

I'm with Martini on this one with thinking that the preflop raise should be a little bit larger, atleast 3x. I think the flop cbet sizing is a little small, 2/3PSB is about right. I see nothing wrong with cbetting this board, but I think you have to shut it down on that turn unless you really have some kind of read that it's a bluff. You do have the nut flush draw, but on a board like this you could easily be up against a made hand already. I would check-call the turn and re-evaluate on the river.

As for the turn shove, you may force out a random 6 without a club, or maybe top pair, but I think most other hands that call the flop have you beat and will call the turn shove.

[Martini]

@holdemhomes
His cbet was 3000 into a 1600 + 1600 (call from SB) + 600 (BB) = 3800 pre-flop pot so his cbet is pushing an 80% PSB, more than the 2/3 PSB you mention.

[TJCOgators]

@holdemhomes
His cbet was 3000 into a 1600 + 1600 (call from SB) + 600 (BB) = 3800 pre-flop pot so his cbet is pushing an 80% PSB, more than the 2/3 PSB you mention.

You are missing the call from the CO.  The pot is 5400 when @ the flop.

[Martini]

@holdemhomes
His cbet was 3000 into a 1600 + 1600 (call from SB) + 600 (BB) = 3800 pre-flop pot so his cbet is pushing an 80% PSB, more than the 2/3 PSB you mention.

You are missing the call from the CO.  The pot is 5400 when @ the flop.

You know, it would be helpful if the hand histories shows how much was in the pot between each street...oh wait, nevermind. lol Yeah, completely missed that. Thanks for pointing that out.

I would be even more likely to check behind the Flop and exit the hand completely on the Turn since it was three handed to the Flop.

[stooks99]

Raise PF is ok, I might actually have made it less, but that's just my style when antes come in.  I don't see anything wrong with c-betting on the flop, but I'm probably going to give it up on the turn.  If he happens to be  bluffing here, he's probably going to bed again on the river.  Save your chips for another fight.

[holdemholmes]

Raise PF is ok, I might actually have made it less, but that's just my style when antes come in.  I don't see anything wrong with c-betting on the flop, but I'm probably going to give it up on the turn.  If he happens to be  bluffing here, he's probably going to bed again on the river.  Save your chips for another fight.

This. I see nothing wrong with the cbet as you will fold out a decent amount of marginal hands, maybe even pocket 8's (although thats a little bit of a stretch). However, when they call the flop and that turn card comes, check and re-evaluate. Just about anything that calls that flop is going to like the turn.

[stooks99]

As a follow up, I do not fall into the category of "AK is a drawing hand".  I hate that philosophy.  However, unless you have reason to think this guy is making this move with AxQc, then it's really hard to get money out of a hand we are beating.  Even assuming he has two 8s, we aren't really getting a good enough price to put our stack in.

[Martini]

As a follow up, I do not fall into the category of "AK is a drawing hand".
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And yet it is, no?

[stooks99]

As a follow up, I do not fall into the category of "AK is a drawing hand".
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And yet it is, no?

Possibly.  I get it, you're drawing to a pair.  But AK shouldn't be put in the same category as JT, 78 or 33.  In fact, AK plays better than all three of those hands I listed.

 I know it's not a pair, and that people love to say, "yeah but 22 beats AK".  But, honestly, that's a pretty silly statement.  If you run cards out hot and cold, of course the pair will win more than AK.  But, when you're playing a pot, people who really say they'd rather have that middle pair than AK are kidding themselves.  The power of AK is not just when it connects, it's for all those times when no one connects. 

If you have deuces, you're drawing to a deuce.  You're almost never going to win that pot unless you flop a set.  The power of AK is that it's a strong hand and it will beat most hands most of the time.  People who say they lose money with AK in the long run are either in denial or they are just very, very poor players.

[Killingbird]

I think i sigh fold the turn.

[NotFadeAway]

Thanks for all the responses on this thread.  I certainly appreciate everyone sharing their thoughts, and I guess it's pretty obvious a shove may not have been the best move...