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holdemholmes
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« on: Dec 10, 2010 at 00:40 »

Villain is unknown, about the 5th hand or so I've played with him. This just seemed like it was a huge cooler and he was gonna flip over the nuts...
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UTG ($5.84)
UTG+1 ($6.27)
MP1 ($14.13)
MP2 ($6.32)
CO ($1.51)
Button ($15.50)
Hero (SB) ($5)
BB ($21.46)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
6 folds, Hero bets $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30) 8, 9, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.70) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.65, Hero calls $0.65

River: ($2) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4.80

Hero?
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 00:47 »

Call. I'm paying off a Straight Flush there. If he has it, he has it, nice hand sir. There's just too many times Villain has a worse Flush, a Straight, a lesser hand, or air there, especially the way it was played since it looks like you are just looking for a cheap showdown.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 00:58 »

I very much have to agree with Martini on that.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 08:55 »

he could of flop the flush K 10 or 10 j  clubs one of those hands that just get better and you only have one buck invested fold
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 11:25 »

You showed strength after the flop with your nutflushdraw, but weakness on the turn when there's a probable flush or possible straight flush. Villain makes a smallish bet on the turn, and you just call. Then an ace on the river.

My read is that he probably has an ace with a weak flush. Definite call in my opinion.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 12:15 »

snap call iMO.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 12:25 »

I also cannot imagine anyone value shoving there with a SF. If you had led out on the River indicating that you had a Flush then I can see villain pushing to try to stack a Flush but the passive line by Hero shows every sign of not having a Flush.
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 12:34 »

holdemholmes i have a question for you what did you put him on ? did you play at the table long what kind of player was he
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« Reply #8 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 14:49 »

Hero Fold?  more like Bad Fold imo. He could easily be making this move with air, K high flush, ect....

I also cannot imagine anyone value shoving there with a SF. If you had led out on the River indicating that you had a Flush then I can see villain pushing to try to stack a Flush but the passive line by Hero shows every sign of not having a Flush.

I do agree with this, but at these stakes, its not a bad move honestly. Any decent flush will probably call.

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holdemholmes
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 15:19 »

Hero Fold?  more like Bad Fold imo. He could easily be making this move with air, K high flush, ect....

I also cannot imagine anyone value shoving there with a SF. If you had led out on the River indicating that you had a Flush then I can see villain pushing to try to stack a Flush but the passive line by Hero shows every sign of not having a Flush.

I do agree with this, but at these stakes, its not a bad move honestly. Any decent flush will probably call.


Meh...im not sure what I had him on. He was showing down some big hands and hitting everything...guess that clouded my judgement.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 15:57 »

Hero Fold?  more like Bad Fold imo. He could easily be making this move with air, K high flush, ect....

I also cannot imagine anyone value shoving there with a SF. If you had led out on the River indicating that you had a Flush then I can see villain pushing to try to stack a Flush but the passive line by Hero shows every sign of not having a Flush.

I do agree with this, but at these stakes, its not a bad move honestly. Any decent flush will probably call.

Not saying it's a bad move. Just saying that I think people instinctively make a much smaller value bet with an uber nut hand like a SF so that makes me less likely to think he has a SF.
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 16:42 »

Then again at those stakes you never know what is going through a player's mind.
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« Reply #12 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 16:57 »

Then again at those stakes you never know what is going through a player's mind.
i find when someone pushes all the chips in they have it epically 4 times the pot .... imo
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« Reply #13 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 17:35 »

Look for the "call faster" button. If its not there, calling is ok.
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holdemholmes
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« Reply #14 on: Dec 10, 2010 at 17:39 »

Look for the "call faster" button. If its not there, calling is ok.
Didn't see that particular button. Maybe I need to update stars...  Grin
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« Reply #15 on: Dec 13, 2010 at 01:43 »

Call and cry...potentially. 

st8 flushes so suck.

but the 22,000 other times you play this same hand he wont have it.
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« Reply #16 on: Dec 13, 2010 at 16:06 »

so did you call or fold?
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 13, 2010 at 17:43 »

so did you call or fold?
I folded. He claimed to have it but who really knows...
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