extra burn card

[joonka]

Cash game.  1/2 NLHE.  Two players are heads up.

The flop is dealt.  Player 1 bets.  The dealer burns a card in anticipation of the turn.  He is stopped from revealing the turn card until Player 2 acts.  Player 2 calls.  The dealer burns a second card (the correct turn card) and exposes what would have been the 3rd burn card as the turn.

Before any action can take place on this incorrect turn card, Player 1 notices the mistake.  The correct turn card is in the muck and unidentifiable.  The person who runs the game is called over and asked to make a ruling. 

What's the correct way to proceed with the hand at this point?

[Dr. Neau]

Slap the dealer because burn cards aren't supposed to go into the muck.

Seriously.  Burn cards are kept separate from the muck for this very reason.

a) You can tell whether or not you've already burned.
b) If you DO screw up, then you have easier recourse.

I know I didn't answer how to handle that exact situation, but since I assume you aren't sitting there waiting for an answer from HPT before the hand proceeds, then the hand must be over.  So, at this point, how you handled it no longer matters.

Also, since you'll put procedures in place (read above) to eliminate the possibility from this ever happening again, the question of how to handle that exact situation is now moot.

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[austin5string]

Slap the dealer because burn cards aren't supposed to go into the muck.

Seriously.  Burn cards are kept separate from the muck for this very reason.

a) You can tell whether or not you've already burned.
b) If you DO screw up, then you have easier recourse.

And slap him for burning the card prematurely.  He shouldn't be burning the card until action is complete.

[joonka]

I'm all for slapping the dealer.  In fact, we could form a line and go "Airplane" on him.  It wouldn't be hard to find volunteers.

But I'm still curious to find out what people think is the right way to proceed with the hand.  

[Acenoid]

> and exposes what would have been the 3rd burn card as the turn.

Well if this would have happened somehow i would take away the 2nd burn card, play the river as turn and then play the card afterwards without burn...

i would not waste time trying to id muck cards, or shuffling them in again. The error is not corraectable and the hand should be played out with as little irregularity as possible.

I hope I don't get burned now by the regulars

[Dr. Neau]

I'd flip the table.

[hayjamawas]

I'd flip the table.

does all ur solutions from dealer errors result in some form of violence   

[Dr. Neau]

I'd flip the table.

does all ur solutions from dealer errors result in some form of violence   

I'd flip the table gently.

[hayjamawas]

I'd flip the table.

does all ur solutions from dealer errors result in some form of violence   

I'd flip the table gently.

id like to see your version on gently lol 

[dalyconnolly]

In card games a burn card is a playing card dealt from the top of a deck and discarded unused by the players. Burn cards are almost always placed face down next to the discard pile without being revealed to the players. Burning is most often performed in casinos to deter a form of cheating known as card marking. In poker, for example the top card of the deck stub is burned at the beginning of each betting round, so that players who might have been able to read markings on that card during the previous round are less able to take advantage of that information.

[KPrather]

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[dalyconnolly]

In card games a burn card is a playing card dealt from the top of a deck and discarded unused by the players. Burn cards are almost always placed face down next to the discard pile without being revealed to the players. Burning is most often performed in casinos to deter a form of cheating known as card marking. In poker, for example the top card of the deck stub is burned at the beginning of each betting round, so that players who might have been able to read markings on that card during the previous round are less able to take advantage of that information.

[William]

Copy/Paste is a beautiful thing.

[Dr. Neau]

Waking up ain't the same unless I get my daily connolly.

[Flaming Frog Poker]

After you get done slapping the dealer for burning early and then putting the extra burn card in the muck you have to fix the problem.  The correct turn card is gone so you have to live with the one that was put up (its just a random card after all).  In order to preserve the hand as much as possible I wouldn't burn before the river though as the card on top of the deck now is the card that should have been the river card.

[KPrather]

After you get done slapping the dealer for burning early and then putting the extra burn card in the muck you have to fix the problem.  The correct turn card is gone so you have to live with the one that was put up (its just a random card after all).  In order to preserve the hand as much as possible I wouldn't burn before the river though as the card on top of the deck now is the card that should have been the river card.

This.

[R-Ho]

Cash game.  1/2 NLHE.  Two players are heads up.

The flop is dealt.  Player 1 bets.  The dealer burns a card in anticipation of the turn.  He is stopped from revealing the turn card until Player 2 acts.  Player 2 calls.  The dealer burns a second card (the correct turn card) and exposes what would have been the 3rd burn card as the turn.

Before any action can take place on this incorrect turn card, Player 1 notices the mistake.  The correct turn card is in the muck and unidentifiable.  The person who runs the game is called over and asked to make a ruling. 

What's the correct way to proceed with the hand at this point?

The dealing procedure described is so sloppy that there is no correct way to proceed.