Hate online poker.

[pokerollie]

I started with $200.00, over the course of two weeks I've entered in a few tournaments and played a few cash games, I've gone really deep into tournaments but not cashed, every single time I've called a pre-flop all in with Aces or Kings or AK suited. Every single time I've lost.

In cash games I've had AK, AQ, AJ countless times, raised 3/4 times the blind, and have few callers, I keep missing the flop and then they start betting and re-raising and it they turn over 7,10 and have hit their 7 on the flop or something.

This is driving me insane, I'm getting to the point where I'm thinking poker is more luck than skill. It is unreal how many aces and kings I've had this last two weeks, and I haven't won any of them.

My worst was in a $10 + $1 tourney, 30 cashed and the prizepool was $10,000. I was 3rd chip leader and the big stack bully went all in, I had to call with my aces and he turned over 88, and I flopped an A so was on trips, turn was an 8, river was an 8. He takes the pot.

Sorry for the rant, need to express it somewhere, but i'm really feeling like poker is just luck these days, pure dumb luck.

[links_slayer]

just remember:  there have, more than likely, been plenty of situations that you've sucked out, hit a 1-outer, or cracked someone's aces with garbage.

it's funny how we rarely have threads about those kinds of hands.

how many hands have you played in these 2 weeks?  i'm guessing here but i think it's safe to say that it is incredibly too small of a sampling to say this kind of thing happens "all the time"

oh, and online poker is rigged btw.

[Martini]

If you've entered "a few" tourneys then you are not even close to having a statistically relevant sample. AA, KK, and AK are not invulnerable. Are they favored? Sure. Can you lose a few times in a row with them, of course. Play hundreds or thousands of tourneys and then report back in on how bad your luck is.

Tough beat with AA vs 88 but there is risk involved with tangling with someone who has you covered. I don't know the chip stacks, payouts, or bubble situation but there are times when you can fold AA pre-flop.

[NotFadeAway]

Tough beat with AA vs 88 but there is risk involved with tangling with someone who has you covered. I don't know the chip stacks, payouts, or bubble situation but there are times when you can fold AA pre-flop.

I totally disagree here.  Unless it's a satellite or a Double or Nothing there's no way in the world to fold AA on the bubble when you're a big stack.  I mean, if you've got like 1 BB and three people go all in in hand for hand play I could see an argument (although I'm confident a fold there would still be bad, and maybe terrible.)  But holding the nuts with a big stack and a chance at a huge stack?  I can't see how anyone could even consider a fold prefop.

[pokerollie]

Tough beat with AA vs 88 but there is risk involved with tangling with someone who has you covered. I don't know the chip stacks, payouts, or bubble situation but there are times when you can fold AA pre-flop.

I totally disagree here.  Unless it's a satellite or a Double or Nothing there's no way in the world to fold AA on the bubble when you're a big stack.  I mean, if you've got like 1 BB and three people go all in in hand for hand play I could see an argument (although I'm confident a fold there would still be bad, and maybe terrible.)  But holding the nuts with a big stack and a chance at a huge stack?  I can't see how anyone could even consider a fold prefop.

Exactly, and i played several hours a night for 2 weeks straight.

[Martini]

Tough beat with AA vs 88 but there is risk involved with tangling with someone who has you covered. I don't know the chip stacks, payouts, or bubble situation but there are times when you can fold AA pre-flop.

I totally disagree here.  Unless it's a satellite or a Double or Nothing there's no way in the world to fold AA on the bubble when you're a big stack.  I mean, if you've got like 1 BB and three people go all in in hand for hand play I could see an argument (although I'm confident a fold there would still be bad, and maybe terrible.)  But holding the nuts with a big stack and a chance at a huge stack?  I can't see how anyone could even consider a fold prefop.

Six players left, top five pay, you and one other player are about even and hold 90% of the chips and each have 20+ BBs, then he shoves into your AA. Personally I'm treating that like a satellite. I am virtually guaranteed at least second place and I have enough confidence in my HU skills that I figure I'm favored to take first. So if I just avoid the other big stack I figure my EV is somewhere between 1st and 2nd place money. If I get unlucky I'm out with nothing to show for it. True, winning the hand puts you in a commanding lead to take down first place but the variance is huge and you have a massive downside for not that big an upside.

[Flipem]

Tough beat with AA vs 88 but there is risk involved with tangling with someone who has you covered. I don't know the chip stacks, payouts, or bubble situation but there are times when you can fold AA pre-flop.

I totally disagree here.  Unless it's a satellite or a Double or Nothing there's no way in the world to fold AA on the bubble when you're a big stack.  I mean, if you've got like 1 BB and three people go all in in hand for hand play I could see an argument (although I'm confident a fold there would still be bad, and maybe terrible.)  But holding the nuts with a big stack and a chance at a huge stack?  I can't see how anyone could even consider a fold prefop.

Agree - there is no way that I fold here.  Even if the stack has you covered.  Potential to be the chip leader sitting pretty for the rest of the tourney.

[Martini]

If you are interested, feel free to run the ICM numbers for the scenario I gave. You might be surprised.

[stooks99]

If you are interested, feel free to run the ICM numbers for the scenario I gave. You might be surprised.

As much as I hate to agree with Martini, those ICM calculators have really surprised me when it comes to certain situations.  I was reading in Bluff Magazine last year about some online hand histories from some pro and she folded AA to 2 shoves in a 4 handed final table.