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Author Topic: Check out this AWESOME 2-7 hand I played last weekend (NLHE)  (Read 1056 times)
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« on: Jul 28, 2010 at 03:17 »

Deepstack one table live tourney.  Everybody started with 8,000T chips, good blind structure tourney, 30 min levels, half way through 1st level (25/50).  Most players still had close to starting 8000 chips.  

UTG fold
next 4 players limp.
I'm on the button, look down at 2-7 (suited--LOL!)--gotta call, right?  On the button, huge implied odds with deepstacks, plus the 4 limpers are all weak players, as is player in small blind (big blind is good player).
SB calls
BB raises, making it 150 to go.
One fold, 3 calls, so I decide to call too!

FLOP---- 2, 7, A  (can you say boo yah)!


SB checks,
BB (the most aggressive player by far in our monthly league of 24 players--he plays35-40% of hands, usually with raises!)
bets out $400

2 calls (by weak players), so I raise to $1300
BB calls, everybody else folds

TURN CARD---another 7, giving me a full house, 7's over 2's!

BB checks, I make a less than half-pot-sized bet, BB pushed all in.  
I call, show my 7's over 2's.  He has A,7, also a full house, but 7's over A's.

SUUUUCK!!!








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« Reply #1 on: Jul 28, 2010 at 09:54 »

The title of this thread is either seriously misleading, or i've been playing way too much mixed games. Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 28, 2010 at 12:10 »

The title of this thread is either seriously misleading, or i've been playing way too much mixed games. Cheesy

I thought the same thing.
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 28, 2010 at 16:13 »

The title of this thread is either seriously misleading, or i've been playing way too much mixed games. Cheesy

I thought the same thing.

+2.

And, playing 7-2 like that, you got what you deserve. Plus, that ace on the flop sucks for a hand flopping bottom 2. Even if he doesn't flop top 2 on you, he'll have 8 outs on the river, and who wants that sweat in a big pot that early in a tournament? Here's a case where, while you can't win a tournament in the 1st level, you sure as hell can lose it.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 28, 2010 at 17:43 »

Not really sure how this is a bad beat, but whatever.
I know OP played this hand horribly, but I really hate the bb's preflop raise.  He's out of position, has an easily dominated hand, and is making a tiny raise that will only build a pot when he's out of position with an easily dominated hand.

Also, OP, no offense, but going bust when you're really deep with 7-2 soooooooooooooooooted is really, really, really bad.
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« Reply #5 on: Jul 28, 2010 at 18:31 »

Not really sure how this is a bad beat, but whatever.
I know OP played this hand horribly, but I really hate the bb's preflop raise.  He's out of position, has an easily dominated hand, and is making a tiny raise that will only build a pot when he's out of position with an easily dominated hand.

Also, OP, no offense, but going bust when you're really deep with 7-2 soooooooooooooooooted is really, really, really bad.

Actually, I appreciate the knocks to that bad play--I deserve it.  I know it's not a bad beat, just a bad situation!  This wouldn't have happened if "Sam" hadn't been in the big blind or if I didn't sit to his left just 6 days earlier for over 4 hours.  It was our monthly league tourney, 3 tables.  The previous month was the first time he played with us.  To make a long story short, he spent 6 hours massively bullying his way to the final 2.  I wasn't at his table that time, but heard updates from some of the other good players.  Fast forward to the second time he played with us, when I sat to Sam's left.  He was extremely aggressive and loose---I would estimate that his VP$IP at least 45%---although it seemed like much higher--- (with 8-10 players at the table).  And almost every time, it was with a raise.  He showed A LOT of hands that he didn't have to---a handful of made hands here and there, a decent amount of rags.  By the way, he bullied himself to the final 2 AGAIN (we're talking 3 tables worth of players), although we do have a medium amount of passive weak players. 

Anyway, back to his initial raise in the BB--I agree--terrible, especially with that weak ace, out of position.  Just building up the pot--why?  Well, that's all he did the first 2 tourneys---build up big pots, then bluff off whoever he was heads up against.  Players were afraid of him unless they had the stone cold nuts! 

So, that's the history of why I chose to get into this hand and get aggressive after hitting with it---even though I knew the A7 or AA would end my tourney at the first level (something I've never come close to before)! 

So was I really THAT wrong for getting all my money in there against him, even though it was a deep stack tourney?  Go ahead, I can take it!

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« Reply #6 on: Jul 28, 2010 at 18:34 »

Ok...if you were in the BB and it was free to see the flop, I'd say yea...sucks to be you. However, the hand was played wrong from the start.....calling 72 just because a few others limped and you're in position does not make it right, and calling a raise because the others did does not make it right either...it's a trash hand.
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 28, 2010 at 20:00 »

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So was I really THAT wrong for getting all my money in there against him, even though it was a deep stack tourney?  Go ahead, I can take it!
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Well, after you boat up like that I guess no one is really folding without a rock solid read on villain. But limping in with 72 is terrible and calling a raise with it is even worse. There's a reason they call it the worst hand in Hold'em. If you were lucky then you would have just thrown away 150 chips early in the tourney. As it was you ended going bust trying to be cute. Well at least you get a donk story to tell that only cost you a buy in. Congrats.
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« Reply #8 on: Jul 28, 2010 at 20:26 »

Not really sure how this is a bad beat, but whatever.
I know OP played this hand horribly, but I really hate the bb's preflop raise.  He's out of position, has an easily dominated hand, and is making a tiny raise that will only build a pot when he's out of position with an easily dominated hand.

Also, OP, no offense, but going bust when you're really deep with 7-2 soooooooooooooooooted is really, really, really bad.

Actually, I appreciate the knocks to that bad play--I deserve it.  I know it's not a bad beat, just a bad situation!  This wouldn't have happened if "Sam" hadn't been in the big blind or if I didn't sit to his left just 6 days earlier for over 4 hours.  It was our monthly league tourney, 3 tables.  The previous month was the first time he played with us.  To make a long story short, he spent 6 hours massively bullying his way to the final 2.  I wasn't at his table that time, but heard updates from some of the other good players.  Fast forward to the second time he played with us, when I sat to Sam's left.  He was extremely aggressive and loose---I would estimate that his VP$IP at least 45%---although it seemed like much higher--- (with 8-10 players at the table).  And almost every time, it was with a raise.  He showed A LOT of hands that he didn't have to---a handful of made hands here and there, a decent amount of rags.  By the way, he bullied himself to the final 2 AGAIN (we're talking 3 tables worth of players), although we do have a medium amount of passive weak players. 

Anyway, back to his initial raise in the BB--I agree--terrible, especially with that weak ace, out of position.  Just building up the pot--why?  Well, that's all he did the first 2 tourneys---build up big pots, then bluff off whoever he was heads up against.  Players were afraid of him unless they had the stone cold nuts! 

So, that's the history of why I chose to get into this hand and get aggressive after hitting with it---even though I knew the A7 or AA would end my tourney at the first level (something I've never come close to before)! 

So was I really THAT wrong for getting all my money in there against him, even though it was a deep stack tourney?  Go ahead, I can take it!


I don't hate getting all in after the flop, but I hate seeing the flop there.  I really think you played absolutely counter to the way you need to play against guys like this.  If a guy is raising a ton of hands and then trying to 'bully' people out after the flop, the one thing you can't do is go halfway against him.  Calling raises with hands like 7-2 is just donating chips against a LAG like this.
Also, for what it's worth, this guy doesn't sound like a 'good' player at all.  It sounds like he's been running extremely well and has had people playing weakly against him (mostly getting pushed around after the flop, but also things like calling raises with 7-2.)  I don't hate playing extra hands deep in position against a guy like this, but hands like 7-2 just have no value.  Also, when you're deep there's no harm in letting this guy 'bully' the table before the flop.  Just don't let him build a pot and then give it to him over and over.
It sounds like a tough beat, and one that's very frustrating against a lucky, aggressive player.  But it's avoidable, so just don't lose focus and tilt against this kind of guy (or, you know, against anyone for that matter...)
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 28, 2010 at 20:52 »

thanks---I really appreciate the honest feedback.  I have only played seriously for 1 1/2 years, but take my game very serious, even if it's only a $60 buy in (I play with the same tenacity whether it's a $30 buy in or a $1,500 buy in).  The reason why I wanted feedback was BECAUSE I have NEVER played that way, especially against those types of players.  Trying something different (getting cute, like you said), and I got bit in the ass---deservedly.  I (usually) play a basic solid aggressive play, not liking to get into big pots, especially when I'm potentially backing myself into an escapable corner.

Again, I appreciate the feedback---that even with what I thought would probably be only a small ($150 out of a stack of $8,000) loss---probably having to throw my hand away after the flop, it was still reallly bad to join the family pot, even on the button, with that trash.  I guess I had more to lose than I thought, and it didn't outweigh the potential gain, especially early in a tourney.  Lesson learned.  More lessons to come, definately.  Thanks again everybody!
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