Fold or go all in?

[bigstu]

Playing in 10K Guarantee $100 buy in 142 players down to 7 players.

Payout for 7 is $374 6th is $524.

I already got paid $100 for first to have aces cracked and chopped last man standing for another $200 (20 @ $20 a head)

Blinds 5000 10000 anti 1000 action folds to me in the cutoff I only have 22000 (after being down to 2000 ) but under the gun only has around 14000 chips.

Do I fold pocket 5's to move up the money or go all in?

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I went all in got called blind by the BB with 6 9 off and lost

[Martini]

Well you're not going to have any fold equity since your stack already got too low. If you shove then the BB basically has to call you with any two cards and you are probably coin flipping at best. 14K stack (which I assume is the shortest) will almost certainly shove on his next hand and any aware player is going to capitalize on that and do a min-raise to put him all in with any reasonable hand. Given the circumstances I would fold and gamble that you would be able to back into at least one higher payout spot since you have a few more hands before the blinds hit you.

[holdemholmes]

Martini is right...no fold equity at all.....but this is such a tough situation....I think I fold here just because of the lack of fold equity.

[NotFadeAway]

The difference between 6th and 7th doesn't really appear to be enough to warrant folding 55, at least imo.  The difference between the higher payouts (namely first) and 6th is plenty enough for me to think shoving is the best move.

[TwoToGo-Grave]

+1 to Martini.  If your hand is stronger, then shove, but 55 is essentially calling to flip, so you can wait for a better spot, I'd think.  And the UTG's stack is too big a factor to ignore.

[Martini]

The difference between 6th and 7th doesn't really appear to be enough to warrant folding 55, at least imo.  The difference between the higher payouts (namely first) and 6th is plenty enough for me to think shoving is the best move.

OP didn't list all stack sizes but I'm guessing that unless the structure/play was horrible that he was well well out of contention for a big cash. If it is a kamikaze blind schedule and *everyone* has less than 5 BB then yeah I'd say go for it and hope to get lucky. I'm just skeptical that that was the case here. Dunno though without more info. As for the jump between 6th and 7th, it is one and a half tourney buy-ins so I don't think it's anything to sneeze at when balancing the benefits of trying to back into 6th.

Either way it's a gamble because if short stack gets lucky and doubles up then it is the OP who is stuck trying to avoid being blinded out but assuming the luck factors equal out I'd take my chances trying to move up a spot since the other player has a shorter stack and is about to get hit by the blinds.

[NotFadeAway]

@Martini:  I certainly agree that the stack sizes could very well make a fold a much better play, but unless you're well below the other players I'd think that going for the win is best.  I can't criticize folding, but I'd personally favor trying to keep yourself in contention for the win (or at least a good cash.)

[Martini]

@Martini:  I certainly agree that the stack sizes could very well make a fold a much better play, but unless you're well below the other players I'd think that going for the win is best.  I can't criticize folding, but I'd personally favor trying to keep yourself in contention for the win (or at least a good cash.)

I don't disagree that going for the big cash has its advantages but I just think that ship has sailed since he let his stack get so low. I can't fault shoving there hoping to double up through the BB with extra equity from the SB and antes since 55 is ahead of a random hand.
I'd be curious to see what the ICM numbers would be on the situation because it's not unusual for me to be surprised at what that model says is the most EV+ thing to do.

[NotFadeAway]

@Martini:  I certainly agree that the stack sizes could very well make a fold a much better play, but unless you're well below the other players I'd think that going for the win is best.  I can't criticize folding, but I'd personally favor trying to keep yourself in contention for the win (or at least a good cash.)

I don't disagree that going for the big cash has its advantages but I just think that ship has sailed since he let his stack get so low. I can't fault shoving there hoping to double up through the BB with extra equity from the SB and antes since 55 is ahead of a random hand.
I'd be curious to see what the ICM numbers would be on the situation because it's not unusual for me to be surprised at what that model says is the most EV+ thing to do.

That would be very interesting, and possibly surprising.  It's a shame we don't have the other stack sizes and the payouts, but it would certainly be interesting to see what ICM says.

[bigstu]

The difference between 6th and 7th doesn't really appear to be enough to warrant folding 55, at least imo.  The difference between the higher payouts (namely first) and 6th is plenty enough for me to think shoving is the best move.

OP didn't list all stack sizes but I'm guessing that unless the structure/play was horrible that he was well well out of contention for a big cash. If it is a kamikaze blind schedule and *everyone* has less than 5 BB then yeah I'd say go for it and hope to get lucky. I'm just skeptical that that was the case here. Dunno though without more info. As for the jump between 6th and 7th, it is one and a half tourney buy-ins so I don't think it's anything to sneeze at when balancing the benefits of trying to back into 6th.

Either way it's a gamble because if short stack gets lucky and doubles up then it is the OP who is stuck trying to avoid being blinded out but assuming the luck factors equal out I'd take my chances trying to move up a spot since the other player has a shorter stack and is about to get hit by the blinds.

1278000 chips in play I'm sandwiched between 650000 on my right and 300000 on my left.  first pays 4300

[72]

what are the odds of him having a bigger pocket pair? about 19% i believe.... i'd push considering it's a pot-sized bet, and who knows if you're going to get any better cards than that before you're BB again, losing 6K in the process in antes, then posting BB and ante, you're left with 5K to push. as good a time as any to push, and you're already in the money.