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Muley05
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« on: Jan 19, 2010 at 14:18 »

I am getting ready to start a poker league in a couple of months that will send two of our league members to a $1500 event at the 2011 WSOP.  I know how the masses here feel about WSOP leagues, but this is not what I want to discuss here, although I will say that all of the fees for the WSOP seats will be collected up front.

The league will have 20 players, and the top point earner for the whole season will win one seat. 

The other seat will be given away at a freeroll tourney at the end of the season.  How to format that freeroll is giving me a bit of trouble.

My first idea was to make the freeroll a one table event with only people that won at least one regular tourney.  But then I thought that I might want to open it up to some other players who performed well but never actually came in first place.

So here are the ideas I have now.

1) Only the winners are invited to the championship freeroll
2) Anyone who came in first or second is invited to the freeroll
3) Anyone who earned X points is invited
4) Anyone who earned X money is invited

My tourneys are T5000.  I did also think that if non-winners were invited, that those who did win a regular tourney would have extra chips to start, maybe even up to 5000 extra per tourney won.

The whole goal is to send the two best representatives of our league to the WSOP, and I welcome any feedback.  The whole point of having the freeroll at the end is to keep those that aren't performing well interested throughout the entire season.
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« Reply #1 on: Jan 19, 2010 at 14:54 »

Our freeroll is pretty much the same every year:
- 8 person championship table. Equal starting stacks.
- Need to qualify by participating in at least 5 of the 10 season tournaments.
- First 7 spots are filled by top 7 qualifying point earners.
- Final spot is filled by the winner of a single-elimination heads-up tournament of the rest of the qualifiers. The heads-up tournament has starting chip stacks for each player related directly to their season point total.

In 2008, the luckbox who won the heads-up tournament also won the championship.
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« Reply #2 on: Jan 19, 2010 at 15:45 »

Dr Neau, could you elaborate more on your starting stacks for the heads up tourney?  Such as, the normal starting stack is 5000, but player X has 7000 and player Y has 4000.


As for my situation, another idea is that I could have anyone that won a tourney qualify for the freeroll, and then also give the top 5 or whatever that have not otherwise qualified get in based on points.  To keep interest up through the season based on the rewards, I think anyone that wins needs to qualify so that everyone has a chance up until the end.
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« Reply #3 on: Jan 19, 2010 at 15:56 »

There was no "normal".  It was strictly a ratio of your league points.

For example...our 2008-2009 season
#8 finisher (Tony) had 22.924 points.  He got T1,375
#9 finisher (Me) had 21.071 points. I got T1,265
#14 finisher (Steve) had 11.654 points. He got T700

I think the ratio was 60 tournament chips for each point.  I try to have the average be around T1,000 cuz that's what my heads-up betting schedule is based on.
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 19, 2010 at 18:48 »

In 2008, the luckbox who won the heads-up tournament also won the championship.

Congratulations on that, Doctor...
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 20, 2010 at 10:01 »

our league TOC is pretty similar to dr neau's, just the top points finishers. 

i don't think simply winning a tourney should qualify u for the championship.
after all,
...the luckbox who won the heads-up tournament also won the championship.
  i think basing everything off points will get u the best 8 or 10 players in your league
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 20, 2010 at 10:28 »

i think basing everything off points will get u the best 8 or 10 players in your league

qft

Plus, I'm not a fan of automatic entry into anything based off of one performance.
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 22, 2010 at 16:23 »

We just did our Tournament of Champions for the recently concluded season ...

We took the top 8 in the points (8 events, you best 6 scores counted). We wanted to have a satellite tournament among #9-12 for a 9th seat, but #9 was the only one interested, he really wanted to play, so we let him in for a buy-in equal to 10% of the T of C purse.

You had to play in at least 3 of the tournaments or have 1 outright win (no chops) to be eligible.
Everyone got 2,000 chips, with a 200 chip bonus (10%) to all those who outright won (no chops, sensing a theme?) a tournament.
We rotated the game each level ... 7-card stud, pot limit Omaha, NL Hold'em. (Omaha was by far the most volatile)

It was the 2nd year we used this general format ... and then I luck-boxed into winning the tournament (for the 2nd year in a row) without the benefit of the winner's bonus.

Next year, we're going to change the tournament winner's bonus to (20 chips x # of entrants in tournament you won, max 300).
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 23, 2010 at 00:18 »

In our league, we take the top 10 in points for the season and anyone who has won a tournament and been to at least half (6) of the tournaments for the season for our year end free roll.  In years past we had given the top point getter 10% of the prize pool and started everyone with the same amount of chips.  This year however, we are trying allotting the # of chips one gets at the free roll based on the place they finish in the final standings.
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 23, 2010 at 11:15 »

I am getting ready to start a poker league in a couple of months that will send two of our league members to a $1500 event at the 2011 WSOP.  I know how the masses here feel about WSOP leagues, but this is not what I want to discuss here, although I will say that all of the fees for the WSOP seats will be collected up front.

The league will have 20 players, and the top point earner for the whole season will win one seat. 

The other seat will be given away at a freeroll tourney at the end of the season.  How to format that freeroll is giving me a bit of trouble.

My first idea was to make the freeroll a one table event with only people that won at least one regular tourney.  But then I thought that I might want to open it up to some other players who performed well but never actually came in first place.

So here are the ideas I have now.

1) Only the winners are invited to the championship freeroll
2) Anyone who came in first or second is invited to the freeroll
3) Anyone who earned X points is invited
4) Anyone who earned X money is invited

My tourneys are T5000.  I did also think that if non-winners were invited, that those who did win a regular tourney would have extra chips to start, maybe even up to 5000 extra per tourney won.

The whole goal is to send the two best representatives of our league to the WSOP, and I welcome any feedback.  The whole point of having the freeroll at the end is to keep those that aren't performing well interested throughout the entire season.

I think option 3 is the best answer to the last thing you said.

Also, maybe have a play-in game for the last seat available?  For example, if you have a 10-player championship based on total season points - give the top 9 autobids, and then have a tournament for everyone else, winner gets the final seat to the championship.

In our league, we take the top 10 in points for the season and anyone who has won a tournament and been to at least half (6) of the tournaments for the season for our year end free roll.  In years past we had given the top point getter 10% of the prize pool and started everyone with the same amount of chips.  This year however, we are trying allotting the # of chips one gets at the free roll based on the place they finish in the final standings.

This is a good thread.

Doing it like that - unbalanced starting stacks - seems to be uncommon, at least from what I can tell on this forum, but that's how we do it too.  The whole format was in place for a few years before I even joined, so I don't really know how it evolved or the thought process that went into it.

We have a very odd scoring system, but it's fair and performance-based.  And for our championship, the top 10 players get autobids.  The championship formula is very odd too.  100,000 chips total are divided amongst the top 10, based on a weighted-average formula that counts total points for the season heavier than it does season point average.  It shakes out such that the #1 seed usually starts out with 3 to 3.5 times that of the #10 seed.  I really don't like that at all - I'd like to tweak the formula into getting a 2 to 2.5 to 1 spread - but it's unbiased and performance based, and it's what they've been running with since the league's inception.  And it's a deep stack so even the 10 seed usually starts with around 50-60 BB.

Anyone else who has played the minimum of 6 league games is welcome to play, albeit at an extreme disadvantage - T1000 plus
T200 for every league game played over 6.  That usually brings in another player or two, starting off at 10-16 BB.  Only once has any of these stragglers ever made any waves, and that didn't last far beyond the first break.

This season we will also have a TOC for the weekly winners a couple weeks after the Championship, and we will begin doing a Tournament of Grand Champions (all the season championship winners, obviously) every other year, beginning this year or the next.

I thought I was leading up to a point or a question with all my ramblings, but I haven't had enough coffee yet, I forget. 

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