RagingAZN
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« on: Jun 18, 2008 at 21:49 » |
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Dr Neau,
I'm wanting to start up a Home League and it appears that your formula works quite well according to many members here. However, I'm a bit confused as to how you calculate points using it...
score = (sqrt(((a * b) * (b / c))) / (d + 1.0))
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a = Tournament Buy-in Count
b = Player Buy-in Expense
c = Player Total Expense
d = Player Finish
So, you have a tournament with 10 players and the buy in is $10.00. Player Z buys in once and rebuys once and comes 2nd.
Would his score be calculated as SQUARE ROOT of ((10 X $10) * ($10/$20) DIVIDED BY 2+1)? And the square root is over the whole equation right?
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« Reply #1 on: Jun 19, 2008 at 16:15 » |
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I thought the same thing first time I used it. The square root is only over the first part.
For a tournament with no rebuys, it's easy ...
Square Root of the Prize Pool
divided by
Player's Finish Position + 1
for you, replace the top part with ...
Square Root of (Prize Pool * (Buy In / Total Expense)
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 19, 2008 at 17:07 » |
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I'm wanting to start up a Home League and it appears that your formula works quite well according to many members here. Closed circuit to AzCat: Ego growing  |
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 19, 2008 at 18:42 » |
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Hmm...I think I'm doing it right with the above example, but when I enter in the numbers on Dr Neau's online calculator I get 2.35. Whereas when I do it on paper, I get 3.53...What's going wrong here?  |
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« Reply #4 on: Jun 19, 2008 at 21:45 » |
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Hmm...I think I'm doing it right with the above example, but when I enter in the numbers on Dr Neau's online calculator I get 2.35. Whereas when I do it on paper, I get 3.53...What's going wrong here? You're doing square roots on paper? Hard to tell what is happening with your calculation if you don't show your work but I get 2.35. Here's how I got there. From your OP: ...
score = (sqrt(((a * b) * (b / c))) / (d + 1.0))
where
a = Tournament Buy-in Count
b = Player Buy-in Expense
c = Player Total Expense
d = Player Finish
So, you have a tournament with 10 players and the buy in is $10.00. Player Z buys in once and rebuys once and comes 2nd.
Would his score be calculated as SQUARE ROOT of ((10 X $10) * ($10/$20) DIVIDED BY 2+1)? And the square root is over the whole equation right?
score = (sqrt(((a * b) * (b / c))) / (d + 1.0)) Or score is equal to: (square root of (buy in count * buy in expense) * (buy in expense / total expense)) ________________________________________________________________ (player finish + 1) Substituting in your numbers: (square root of (10 * $10) * ($10 / $20)) _______________________________ (2 + 1) Or: (square root of (100) * (.5)) ______________________ 3 Or: square root of 50 ______________ 3 Or: 7.07 ___ 3 Which, if I understand the formula correctly, comes out to: 2.35 |
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 19, 2008 at 23:45 » |
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Damn, I'm such a donk! I was doing it all wrong! Man, this is like Maths101 haha! Thanks for all the help team, I got it now!  |
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 20, 2008 at 09:03 » |
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Damn, I'm such a donk! I was doing it all wrong! Man, this is like Maths101 haha! Thanks for all the help team, I got it now! Well, the formula isn't visually easy to read when you have to put it all on one line. If anyone knows of a freeware Java equation editor... |
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 20, 2008 at 11:42 » |
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Damn, I'm such a donk! I was doing it all wrong! Man, this is like Maths101 haha! Thanks for all the help team, I got it now! Well, the formula isn't visually easy to read when you have to put it all on one line. If anyone knows of a freeware Java equation editor... The parentheses help to see the rationale behind the formula but the readability suffers a bit because of it. The outermost ones could go for sure. And since the multiplication and division can be combined you can leave a lot of the inner parens out as well. score = (sqrt(((a * b) * (b / c))) / (d + 1.0)) could instead be re-written as: score = sqrt(a * b * b / c) / (d + 1.0) and yield the same result with likely fewer user errors. |
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« Reply #8 on: Jun 20, 2008 at 19:45 » |
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Damn, I'm such a donk! I was doing it all wrong! Man, this is like Maths101 haha! Thanks for all the help team, I got it now! Well, the formula isn't visually easy to read when you have to put it all on one line. If anyone knows of a freeware Java equation editor... The parentheses help to see the rationale behind the formula but the readability suffers a bit because of it. The outermost ones could go for sure. And since the multiplication and division can be combined you can leave a lot of the inner parens out as well. score = (sqrt(((a * b) * (b / c))) / (d + 1.0)) could instead be re-written as: score = sqrt(a * b * b / c) / (d + 1.0) and yield the same result with likely fewer user errors. Then people get confused becaues they don't understand operator order. |
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« Reply #9 on: Jun 20, 2008 at 21:03 » |
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Damn, I'm such a donk! I was doing it all wrong! Man, this is like Maths101 haha! Thanks for all the help team, I got it now! Well, the formula isn't visually easy to read when you have to put it all on one line. If anyone knows of a freeware Java equation editor... The parentheses help to see the rationale behind the formula but the readability suffers a bit because of it. The outermost ones could go for sure. And since the multiplication and division can be combined you can leave a lot of the inner parens out as well. score = (sqrt(((a * b) * (b / c))) / (d + 1.0)) could instead be re-written as: score = sqrt(a * b * b / c) / (d + 1.0) and yield the same result with likely fewer user errors. Then people get confused becaues they don't understand operator order. Egads. Then I guess you need to write up a 1040 style form, Line 1 - The number of players in your tournament: ____ Line 2 - The amount of the buy in for each player: ____ Line 3 - Multiply Line 1 by Line 2: ___ etc. |
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« Reply #10 on: Jun 21, 2008 at 08:39 » |
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« Reply #11 on: Jun 21, 2008 at 17:33 » |
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That works too... |
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« Reply #12 on: Jun 22, 2008 at 21:53 » |
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Then people get confused becaues they don't understand operator order.
I'll best *most* people that see your formula on the website *are not* going to work it out on paper... Excel (and other applications) understand operator order. I would think the simplistic display would be more useful, in general. Unless you are including the extra parens because of your ego... |
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« Reply #13 on: Jun 22, 2008 at 23:12 » |
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Unless you are including the extra parens because of your ego... Which requires at least 1 seat at any online poker table. |
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 14, 2008 at 04:05 » |
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Woop woop! Time to start using the formula with the new season starting tomorrow...
Is there anyway to set this formula up in Excel so I don't have to plug in the numbers into the calculator each time?
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 14, 2008 at 04:24 » |
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Type the following into a cell:
=sqrt(A1*A2*A2/A3)/(A4+1)
and put the number of players in A1, buy in amount in A2, total expense in A3, and finish in A4.
Or if you're running Dr. Neau's software you can have it take care of that stuff for you.
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 14, 2008 at 07:47 » |
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Oh wow! You're so wise Master Martini Thank you! I can't afford Dr Neau's software at the moment...once we get running a bit better and play for higher stakes, we'll look into for sure! |
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