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« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2008 at 12:43 »

Well if that's what Bob says, then fine.  I know what I would do if it  happened in my house.

And I still say the rule is vague, and only applies here (if it applies at all) because there is no other applicable rule.

Whoever has Mr Ciaffone's contact info might want to drop him a line and suggest that he add an entry to his Glossary that defines what a "fouled deck" is.

His email address is: thecoach@chartermi.net. Feel free to contact him. From personal experience and from what I hear from others he has always been prompt with helpful responses.
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« Reply #51 on: May 30, 2008 at 15:27 »

 I guess I agree with the re-shuffle & proceed here as well.
  If this situation occurs & the dealer announces/points out deck is exposed, that the cards are being picked up to be re-shuffled ... Every player has had essentially the same "look" time at the fallen stub ... You simply can't get into how player "A"'s brain reacted/focused on the view of the deck vs. Player "C"'s brain ....
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« Reply #52 on: May 30, 2008 at 21:10 »

You simply can't get into how player "A"'s brain reacted/focused on the view of the deck vs. Player "C"'s brain ....

Which is why this is WAY different than a single exposed card.  And it's also why the hand cannot continue fairly.
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« Reply #53 on: May 31, 2008 at 03:46 »

everyone at the table has the opportunity to see the exposed cards, therefore everyone is at the same advantage/disadvantage. still done fairly when the stub is reshuffled.
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« Reply #54 on: Jun 01, 2008 at 00:02 »

RROP #17 also says that the deck must be rebuilt in a "fair" manner.  IMO it is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to play this hand out fairly.  Also rule #17 just talks about the deck stub getting fouled.  I think the intention of this rule is for situations where the dealer believes the hand is over either drops the deck onto the muck pile, or begins the wash/riffle/shuffle, or something like that.

I don't think that Rule #17 applies here.

As was stated earlier, it is possible, and overwhelmingly likely that each player saw different cards.  When a single card is exposed, it is clearly shown to all players and announced out loud by the dealer.  Then the hand continues when ALL players have the SAME information.

In this case, not all players would continue the hand with the same information.  The betting cannot continue in anything that even closely resembles fair poker.

IMO, the options are:

1) Distribute the pot equally among the remaining players and continue on to the next hand
2) Declare the betting over, reshuffle the deck, deal the board, and award the pot to the winning hand
3) Leave all 20+ exposed cards face up for everyone to see throughout the hand, and play out the hand (betting and all) with the remaining stub.  I think this option sucks, but at least all players would be betting with the same information.

This happened to me  a few months ago (where half the deck was dropped )  I went with option 2, as this I deemed this being the most fair. I had no complaints
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