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sunderB
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 11, 2008 at 15:36 » |
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The butcher is back!
Great side by side comparison. I have had similar experiences with the first release of the DN Acetates and we were applying nowhere near the amount of stress that you did in this video.
I will say that I played with the Modiano Acetates this past weekend and they may be my new favorite card. Not near as thick or stiff as regular Modianos and very easy to handle. The back colors seem much better looking on the Acetates vs regular Modianos.
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Jambine
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 11, 2008 at 16:44 » |
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Great review. I still don't have any Modiano acetates, but I think that is my next purchase
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« Reply #3 on: Mar 11, 2008 at 16:46 » |
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Nice video. Well done!
How do KEMs hold up vs. the Modianos?
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 11, 2008 at 17:17 » |
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Check out the NTPs. My impression is that they are extremely sturdy.
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sunderB
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 11, 2008 at 17:29 » |
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Forgot to include this in my first response. The real scary part for DN's is when you were hitting the flat side rather than the edge and the were still cracking.
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Eralis
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« Reply #6 on: Mar 11, 2008 at 19:04 » |
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Note to self: Never buy DN Acetates. Got a little temper when it comes to getting bad beats, and it all goes out on the cards.
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samiam
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 13, 2008 at 11:17 » |
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The new Kems are also very resistant to this kind of damage. The biggest issues with the new Kems is the high defect rate the the issue with the ink flaking off (which, thankfully, is more of an issue on the face side than on the back side).
I wonder what the defect rate of the Modiano Platinum acetates are, and whether they will have ink flaking off issues (or other issues that affect the lifetime of the cards). I also wonder how they feel compared to the Kems; I presume the feel will be similar (the Modianos are considered heavy cards, but the acetate ones seem to be softer and more flexible; more Kem-like, if you will).
Yeah, I wish I could buy some now (I'm in Mexico and getting stuff here is a royal pain because of !@#$ customs)
- Sam
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 13, 2008 at 17:23 » |
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Great stuff Nut'n. I'd like to see this same test done with original DN acetate net designs. Upon receipt of the new DN net acetates, I did note the cards seemed more "brittle" than the original net design.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 13, 2008 at 20:55 » |
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Great stuff Nut'n. I'd like to see this same test done with original DN acetate net designs. Upon receipt of the new DN net acetates, I did note the cards seemed more "brittle" than the original net design.
I just whacked an original DN acetate net (a sample I got from Trident) three times on a hard wooden surface. The corner flew off just like in Nutn's video. BTW, I did the same with a (non-acetate) DN Freedom and it showed no signs of damage. |
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 13, 2008 at 21:08 » |
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....BTW, I did the same with a (non-acetate) DN Freedom and it showed no signs of damage. I also have a lot of non-acetate DN's and never seen a crack on any of them |
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 00:50 » |
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NTPs will crack too--not as easily as DN, but not too far behind!
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ky70
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 13:58 » |
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Great stuff Nut'n. I'd like to see this same test done with original DN acetate net designs. Upon receipt of the new DN net acetates, I did note the cards seemed more "brittle" than the original net design.
I just whacked an original DN acetate net (a sample I got from Trident) three times on a hard wooden surface. The corner flew off just like in Nutn's video. Sigh. Oh well, there goes that theory. I didn't think of trying this for myself at home (duh). Thanks Jacks up. |
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R-Ho
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 14:15 » |
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Great stuff Nut'n. I'd like to see this same test done with original DN acetate net designs. Upon receipt of the new DN net acetates, I did note the cards seemed more "brittle" than the original net design.
I just whacked an original DN acetate net (a sample I got from Trident) three times on a hard wooden surface. The corner flew off just like in Nutn's video. Sigh. Oh well, there goes that theory. I didn't think of trying this for myself at home (duh). Thanks Jacks up. Finally remembered where I stashed a few original DN Acetate Net singles left over after some blems were replaced. Broke all the corners off one, after only a couple strikes per corner. (On a glass table top). I'll restrict their use to padded tables only. Could these shatter just from contact during shuffling? R-Ho |
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 15:24 » |
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Great stuff Nut'n. I'd like to see this same test done with original DN acetate net designs. Upon receipt of the new DN net acetates, I did note the cards seemed more "brittle" than the original net design.
I just whacked an original DN acetate net (a sample I got from Trident) three times on a hard wooden surface. The corner flew off just like in Nutn's video. Sigh. Oh well, there goes that theory. I didn't think of trying this for myself at home (duh). Thanks Jacks up. Finally remembered where I stashed a few original DN Acetate Net singles left over after some blems were replaced. Broke all the corners off one, after only a couple strikes per corner. (On a glass table top). I'll restrict their use to padded tables only. Could these shatter just from contact during shuffling? R-Ho Looks like gameface cracked one just during normal dealing. Too bad, I really liked the backs on these. |
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R-Ho
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 17:13 » |
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I bought two DN Acetate setups in a group buy, which now looks more like one set up and a complete set of replacements! How's that for glass is half-full thinking?
R-Ho
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 18:31 » |
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Hi everyone,
I glanced at this earlier, but I actually was getting ready to travel to Italy the next day . . . to do our site visit to the Dal Negro factory. I am writing this from my hotel in Treviso. Yes, I discussed the video with Franco Dal Negro and he is reviewing the production with his staff. (I personally have not been able to duplicate the results, but it is possible that I just don't have the heart to hurt our beautiful cards.) We have confidence that any issues found will be addressed - this is why we do business with a company like Dal Negro - and our customers know that we stand behind our products. In any event, I will follow-up with you when I return and have a chance to catch up. Thank you.
Best,
Alex Ferrate
Casa Antigua LLC
P.S. Dal Negro products are very popular with many of you and I believe that you will enjoy the trip report that I will start drafting on the plane.
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 14, 2008 at 19:20 » |
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We have confidence that any issues found will be addressed - this is why we do business with a company like Dal Negro - and our customers know that we stand behind our products. In any event, I will follow-up with you when I return and have a chance to catch up. Thank you.
Awesome; thanks Alex. It's horrible to see what's happening to DN's rep due to these bad cards. P.S. Dal Negro products are very popular with many of you and I believe that you will enjoy the trip report that I will start drafting on the plane.
Remember, any souvenirs with "Midnight Rose" on them, will get you mucho loot... |
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samiam
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 12:59 » |
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discussed the video with Franco Dal Negro and he is reviewing the production with his staff. [...] We have confidence that any issues found will be addressed - this is why we do business with a company like Dal Negro - and our customers know that we stand behind our products. I am glad to see Dal Negro is aware of the issue and is willing to investigate and address it. This is more than I can say right now for the US Playing Card company, who has a lot of problems with their Kems (high defect rate in their cards; ink flaking off after only a month) and doesn't seem to be doing anything to address these problems. I sent the US Playing Card company an email over a month ago, complete with images showing the defects, and never got a reply from them. Thank you for bringing up this issue and keeping us posted. I really like the AN Acetate Freedoms, and hope the problems with these cards can be addressed. |
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 18, 2008 at 13:32 » |
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