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« on: Dec 21, 2007 at 18:58 »

First Sit-N-Go since my two days of, and just wondering if I should have checked this flop instead of making a c-bet, my usual play is to make a c-bet if I'm the pre-flop raiser, especially with a high pair, but with an A on the flop should I have checked, or was the c-bet worth it to find out where I was in the hand.

After he called my c-bet and then lead out on the turn, I was sure he had an ace and had an easy fold.

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« Reply #1 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 19:08 »

Well, I would have bet less in the c-bet; maybe around 150-180 instead of 240.  Good job of just giving up to the donk bet on the turn.
What I come away with here is that this psychomutt may well be a horrible player...he called the pf raise, called the big flop bet, and then bet 1/2 of the flop bet on the turn.  That's really odd.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 22:11 »

Seven handed and you have two other players going to the flop with you in a raised pot. I don't know the exact odds but I would guess that it is likely enough that one of them has an Ace. You have second pair, yes they are Kings but second pair on this board and functionally the same as 99. If your opponent called with an Ace they are probably confident enough in their kicker that you won't be able to easily muscle them off of it by trying to represent AK. And if a player can put you on a high pair exactly they don't care what their kicker is.

I don't mind a stab just to make sure that LP isn't just making a position bet but if you stab it better be the same size as your AK bet. I just think it is likely enough that you are already behind given the circumstances that cbetting out of position could be EV-. If you are last to act then I would definitely cbet. Again, hard to say for sure and answer would depend on a TON of factors.
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« Reply #3 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 22:27 »

I would have to make a continuation bet here, but, like my brother stated, it should be a continuation bet.  Don't bet so much, as you'll find out if he's got an ace for 180 as easily as 240.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 21, 2007 at 22:32 »

I would have to make a continuation bet here, but, like my brother stated, it should be a continuation bet.  Don't bet so much, as you'll find out if he's got an ace for 180 as easily as 240.

Thats something I need to work on, sizing my c-bets appropriately, I agree it was too high here.

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« Reply #5 on: Dec 22, 2007 at 03:23 »

I agree that you don't want to invest too much but IF you are going to cbet I think you need to bet the same amount as if you had AK. I don't know how often I see a player raise big pre-flop and when an Ace flops they throw out a meek little bet. The attentive player can typically raise them out of the pot, even without holding an Ace. If someone is paying attention and notices you putting out a bet that's too small then not only do you NOT represent a strong Ace but you waste the amount of your cbet as well.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 22, 2007 at 03:37 »

I agree that you don't want to invest too much but IF you are going to cbet I think you need to bet the same amount as if you had AK. I don't know how often I see a player raise big pre-flop and when an Ace flops they throw out a meek little bet. The attentive player can typically raise them out of the pot, even without holding an Ace. If someone is paying attention and notices you putting out a bet that's too small then not only do you NOT represent a strong Ace but you waste the amount of your cbet as well.

I usually only c-bet 2/3's to the full pot, usually because If I hit I need to scare of flush draws and such. If I had AK, I would very likely bet the same amount I did here with KK.

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