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« on: Dec 12, 2007 at 12:16 »

I'm looking for feedback please on push with AKs, facing a raise and a re-raise.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?1801468

Yeah, reading the above, FOLD! would b the first thing to pop in to my mind, but I'll go over a few things that made me push instead of fold here.

Firstly, the original raiser, his raising range wasn't bad, pretty decent compared to most online foes actually, but was far wider then mine, as well as raising with any high king, two face cards, etc I had also witnessed him raise with high suited connectors and even a T8, his raiser where all the to 3xBB.

The re-raiser, he got lucky with some big hands in the right spot a few times, and built up a huge stack, but after being quiet for awhile, as become much more aggressive and I felt was trying to dominate the table. The previous hand he held 88, and re-raised the opening raiser, and then capped the betting to another re-raise and eventually called an all-in shove on the flop without improvement. So I knew this guys re-raising range was pretty wide also, although he did have the stack to counter such a wide range.

That being said, I was looking for reasons to fold, a re-raise is certainly up there, but with only 10 BB's, and a blind increase to 75/150 in less then a minute, I considered my options and realized this  was my best chance to gain some chips, and I may have to push with something much weaker anyway within a single orbit after this hand, and the big stack is sure to call then also.

Calling was pointless, If I was going to risk most of my chips, saving a few hundred was dumb, so I pushed to increase the pressure on the original raiser and to hopefully double up.

How do you think I evaluated my situation, thoughts, feedback etc ?

Thanks xxx
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 12, 2007 at 12:46 »



Ok you've received a number of 'passes' because there has been some strategic element to those posts, but this is a straight-up bad beat story disguised as a strat post.

You've given all the reasons why you pushed, you were proved right when the cards flipped, and then you got beaten by a dominated hand.

Suck it up, or we're going downtown.
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« Reply #2 on: Dec 12, 2007 at 12:51 »



Ok you've received a number of 'passes' because there has been some strategic element to those posts, but this is a straight-up bad beat story disguised as a strat post.

You've given all the reasons why you pushed, you were proved right when the cards flipped, and then you got beaten by a dominated hand.

Suck it up, or we're going downtown.

Hey Jerk! your WRONG!

if your not going to add constructive criticism please don't reply to my posts. I'm seeking opinions on where the push was correct, win or loss the result doesn't matter.

If you think this is a wine simply because of "I was happy to see the re-raiser only held AJ, but dreaded a jack, and there it was on the flop, I'm out in 5th." this line, I think your being a tad too quick to judge. I don't mean offense, but you rash judgment on  my post pissed me off.

I'll remove that last line, happy now

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« Reply #3 on: Dec 12, 2007 at 14:56 »

Easy shove, at least in my opinion.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 12, 2007 at 15:12 »

Easy shove, at least in my opinion.

Thanks, I took my time to think about it, but in hindsight I think I made the right move
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 12, 2007 at 15:19 »

Ok you've received a number of 'passes' because there has been some strategic element to those posts, but this is a straight-up bad beat story disguised as a strat post.

You've given all the reasons why you pushed, you were proved right when the cards flipped, and then you got beaten by a dominated hand.

Suck it up, or we're going downtown.

And this is exactly why I'd like to see a Bad Beat Story forum created.

There's absolutely nothing, nothing in the world, forcing you or anyone else to read Lucky's posts.  Especially if you believe that all he's doing is whinging about beats, you are free to choose to ignore Lucky and his posts henceforth now and forever more.

However, I know that there's a large contingent that agrees with you (I won't call them a majority, because I don't honestly know) that Bad Beat Stories suck.  Yet, some people feel compelled to share them.  Until and unless a BBS forum gets created, I implore anyone who does want to share thusly, to note it as such in their header topic.   This will allow all those who don't want to hear it, to walk away without harm.  Lucky knows to do this; we've spoken about it extensively in PMs.  If he's posting in the Strategy area, it's because he wants to improve his skill set and learn new strategies for his game.  I'll stake my reputation on that.

IOW, back off, copper.  Your brand of brutality is not needed today.

And to be fair, Lucky, watch the name calling.  I know you feel provoked, but usually, we just humor BBP.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 12, 2007 at 15:38 »

And to be fair, Lucky, watch the name calling.  I know you feel provoked, but usually, we just humor BBP.

Sorry, I apologize
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« Reply #7 on: Dec 12, 2007 at 16:42 »

I'm looking for feedback please on push with AKs, facing a raise and a re-raise.

Lucky,

I hate to beat a dead horse, but personally I'd find it refreshing if you asked for analysis on hands that weren't your last hand in the tournament.  I still worry that you're putting your focus on the missed free throw at the buzzer rather than the 39 turnovers that put you in the position where the free throw mattered.

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« Reply #8 on: Dec 12, 2007 at 16:58 »

Nice pic  Cheesy

I agree, I have some improvements to be made, most of my recent posts have been about all-in decisions, must be a pain to read similar things over and over.

I think your right on another note by the way, starting to feel I'm focusing  on  my starting  hands just a bit too much,  so I've sat in a few cash games to get some practice playing, and being aggressive with hands I wouldn't usually play in a tournament, as at the higher limits, I'm going to have to bet out regardless of what I hold now and then.
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 12, 2007 at 17:19 »

Nice pic  Cheesy

I agree, I have some improvements to be made, most of my recent posts have been about all-in decisions, must be a pain to read similar things over and over.

I think your right on another note by the way, starting to feel I'm focusing  on  my starting  hands just a bit too much,  so I've sat in a few cash games to get some practice playing, and being aggressive with hands I wouldn't usually play in a tournament, as at the higher limits, I'm going to have to bet out regardless of what I hold now and then.

The best pots I've ever had were with crappy starting hands...because nobody expects you to be holding what you were holding.

Not to say I'm reckless.  You just need to try different stuff.

If you ONLY play premium hands, then you're only getting to a showdown when those turn into really good post-flop hands, then you're not going to win much.

What I play really depends on my position in the hand, whether or not it was folded/limped/raised to me, etc.  Too many factors.
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 12, 2007 at 17:31 »

My biggest success in Sit-N-Go's was when I fist started, I have stats showing that I normally cashed in 3 out 4, since I've been reading more and more about the game though, my tournament win rate as reduced considerably, at first I put this down to mkaing too many moves without understanding the situation enough.

Now though, I've probably just lost some of my aggression, and confidence, and have ended up drilling down my starting requirements because the book says thats what to do, the trouble I'm having though is, if I don't get quality cards in the early stages I don't have enough chips to play anything but quality hands in the middle stage when I should be playing regular poker.

Something to think about. Maybe adjusting my early game might improve things, getting in cheap with drawing  hands whilst the blinds are low for example.
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