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« on: Nov 10, 2007 at 09:18 »

I was playing in a  home game last night when the following hand arose:
Seven handed, blinds 30/60
Me (UTG):  1900
Villain (BB)  810

Preflop
I raised to 150 with pocket jacks and he raised to 240.  I called.
Flop:  (10-9-3)
BB checked, I bet 310, and he raised to 570 and I called.

What are your thoughts about this hand?  What would you guys do on each street?
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« Reply #1 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 09:39 »

how has the villian played to this point? If he is loose/aggressive, maybe a/k, a/q. If he is the loose, or maniac, or just outright aggressive I might just put him all in at this point.

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« Reply #2 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 10:09 »

The pot's 1350 and its a mere 260 more to call as he's already all in.  I'd have to call at this point

You're in poor position, but you still have a premium hand so  I don't know what you could have done to avoid this.  Your preflop raise was aggressive enough to isolate against 1 and post flop you have an over pair. There's a possible straight draw but the preflop action would probably eliminate 8-7 and Q-J unless the player is hyper aggressive.

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« Reply #3 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 10:48 »

how has the villian played to this point? If he is loose/aggressive, maybe a/k, a/q. If he is the loose, or maniac, or just outright aggressive I might just put him all in at this point.

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He seems to be someone learning, who was playing aggressively at this point and who is, in general, pretty loose.  I should have mentioned my take on the villain in my OP.
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« Reply #4 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 11:00 »

 Why less than 3x BB when UTG?  I wasn't there to see what "standard" raises were, but if you decide to raise UTG, you want to narrow the field w/ jacks .. I would have made it at least $240 or so pre flop... This, for example may have scared him off overcards or pocket 3's ...
   Flop comes undercards w/ no "made" Str8t or flush possibilities, so I think you should have pushed, since you apparently were willing to call his all-in anyway. Villian only had 570 left, & you are betting 310??
   If he didn't happen to wake up in the BB w/ an overpair to your jacks, you may have won the pot preflop, or even post flop with an all-in .
  The way you played it, you allowed hands like 3/3, J/Q, A/10 or A/9 suited to see the flop relatively "cheap" & you could be beat or be drawn out on.
 If he has trip 9's or an overpair to your jacks, so be it, neither of you were going away on that flop ....
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« Reply #5 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 19:20 »

I was there last night and I thought that my brother played the hand well.  The size of the villain's stack pretty much committed him (I thought, anyway) to get in on the flop, and he certainly couldn't fold preflop.  The only thing I thought that he could have done differently would have been to shove preflop, but waiting for a safe flop is probably better, as it works as a stop and go against AK or AQ.
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« Reply #6 on: Nov 10, 2007 at 20:32 »

How did it turn out?
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« Reply #7 on: Nov 12, 2007 at 10:55 »

I think you played it right...  2.5xBB PF is a good move with jacks.  I don't put him on a bigger pair with the re-raise PF, especially since he is an agressive learning player.  If he had queens, kings or aces, he's all-in PF.

Once he calls, I am making up my mind on this hand before I even see the flop...  Am I calling an All-in with jacks?

After he checks the flop, I think you were right to bet.  It's a troublesome board...not scary, but it could get there.  310 into a 510 pot?  If you're going to bet, I think you need to bet a little more.  I assume the flop was rainbow (since you didn't show suits) but he could have an OESD.  I think you price him out of that draw, so more than pot -- but you couldn't relly do that...I'm thinking a 700 bet, but he only has 570...  I think he had made up his mind to shove anyway, so he raises all-in to any bet under 570 and calls any bet over 570.  It appears that he was check-raising you the whole way.

Getting to the point that he check-raised, I don't think you can lay it down, even if he already made trips or two pair.
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« Reply #8 on: Nov 13, 2007 at 13:20 »

You are probably dead to an over-pair or set when villain C-R'ed the flop, but the pot/stacks have you committed.  Pre-flop is fine, though I would have raised to 200 a little more than 3x coming in UTG.
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« Reply #9 on: Nov 13, 2007 at 13:49 »

Actually I don't mind the 2.5xBB UTG raise here.  Jacks are the death of a lot of people and this raise allows you to get out of the hand easy.

I don't like the bet on the flop however.  Considering his preflop re-raise, I think a check is more appropriate, or if your gonna bet, force him all-in, half the pot doesn't show enough strength, and getting him to laydown is better than getting him to call it.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 16, 2007 at 12:49 »

My opponent had kings on this hand, and I didn't catch a jack, so he doubled through me.
Not a good night for me, as I went out shortly after when an all in semi-bluff got called and didn't get there (against the same dude, no less).
Thanks to all for posting they're thoughts on this hand.  I was kicking myself for days for how I played it.
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« Reply #11 on: Nov 17, 2007 at 03:33 »

Tricky one since you classify your opponent as loose/aggressive.  Like Demon said, Jacks are vulnerable and once you were reraised preflop, my guard would be up.  Having him go all-in on a flop like that would have made me nervous. You had only committed 550 into the pot by now so it could have been easy to bail out.  I think your decision at this point would have been based upon your assessment of your opponent. Unfortunately, it didn't work out for you this time.  Keep an eye on him and try to pick out some tells or betting habits.
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